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I talked with John Clark about seeking wisdom through politics and revolution. We discussed the motivations behind the American revolution and the French revolution, and about the true revolution, which is the evolution of the mind and heart. We also discussed modern revolutionary politics, including the Civil Rights movement and Occupy Wall Street. America has faced three general conflicts: The Farmers vs. the merchants; The farmers vs. the corporations; The corporations vs. everyone. Now, with corporations having more power than governments in many cases, the true revolution requires economic independence and self-sufficiency, which start with an educated mind and an independent spirit.