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Tonight Vance Swerdan and Dave Knaggs join us to talk about the beginnings of michigan no holds barred combat, and the transition into today's version called mixed martial arts. Not only were these guys around near the beginning of the sport in our state alongside of James, but they continue to impart their knowledge upon budding talents to this day. Vance's promotion, Vertex Fight Night, makes its fourth foray into the fold this Saturday night in Cadillac, MI and we'll talk about his fight card and intense production also. call in at (347) 857-1024 to join us.