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Casey McFarland co-author of "Bird Feathers" http://www.amazon.com/Bird-Feathers-Guide-American-Species/dp/0811736180 and Senior Tracker in CyberTracker http://www.cybertracker.org
We talk about getting through the times went tracking feels hard to get out.
Note: i had i little techincal difficutly with the microphone on my side of the call.