This week Mark chats with 3 Principles facilitator Katja Symons. Katja's specialty is helping people with chronic health issues including things like chronic fatigue and auto immune diseases. She shares her own experience with ill health and her journey towards her now pain free happy healthy life. Katja is also in the process of translating the great 3 principles based book 'Somebody should have told us.' by Jack Pransky into German.