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Today we are excited to be speaking with journalist Ioan Grillo, author of El Narco and Gangster Warlords. Grillo joins us to speak about the long running "war on drugs' and Mexico's criminal insurgency. This "war" has killed well over 50000 in Mexico ... God know the exact number, driven up by North America's demand for drugs. In addition, we also talk about El Chappo and what we've learned from the trial and so much more.