This episode features the first of Dr. David Hanscom’s two interviews with Deb Gray PhD, a licensed clinical social worker and owner of a group of substance abuse / mental health clinics, Life by Design. She also attended one of the first of Dr. Hanscom’s annual Omega conferences. She shares her personal story of battling chronic pain, the different approaches she tried and her discovery of the mechanisms that can trigger and exacerbate chronic pain. This understanding led her to a pain-free life. Visit: https://backincontrol.com for more information.