Ascendancy of the Scientific Dictatorship -- The Discussion Continues...

Phillip Collins

9/9/2008 8:11 PM UTC

You are correct about Luciferian initiations. Our point is that, as Malachi Martin once said, this isn't your garden variety of satanism. It is a form of satanism that ostensibly proffers a form of anti-metaphysics, although one could easily argue that there really is a metaphysical component to their beliefs. We discussed that with William Kennedy on Sphinx Radio once.

Phillip Collins

9/9/2008 6:36 PM UTC

You are correct about Luciferian initiations. Our point is that, as Malachi Martin once said, this isn't your garden variety of satanism. It is a form of satanism that ostensibly proffers a form of anti-metaphysics, although one could easily argue that there really is a metaphysical component to their beliefs. We discussed that with William Kennedy on Sphinx Radio once.

Phillip Collins

9/9/2008 6:32 PM UTC

I think that we both can agree that, behind it all, there is definitely spiritual reality underpinning this conspiracy and it truly is satanic. As Keith said on the program, we wrestle not with flesh and blood... Defining the character of the form of satanism is a little more difficult because it is masked in different appellations and subject to so many private interpretations by adherents.

Saintpierre

9/9/2008 5:22 PM UTC

although the religious aspect exist. When one writer claims that there is a religious aspect and another simply looks at the policall without refuting the religious then the religious cannot be ignored.

Saintpierre

9/9/2008 5:21 PM UTC

What about the other questions I asked? What about the practices of the Bohemian Grove and Skull and Bones? They have Luciferic Initiations. Are we to ingnore this? Everything must be taken into account. I do think that your adivce is a good one. We both should look at work that does not encourage our own preconceived ideas. When we look at their practices then we must not ignore the religious aspect. Fire in the minds of men may take a political look without acknowledging the religious, alth

Phillip Collins

9/9/2008 3:11 PM UTC

Again, I hope that you find these sources helpful.

Phillip Collins

9/9/2008 3:11 PM UTC

Bear in mind that none of these sources are written by individuals that subscribe to a conspiratorial Weltanschauung. Nevertheless, their findings affirm the existence of a conspiracy. It is best to read sources that do not overtly affirm your own views. That way, you know that you are reading objective research.

Phillip Collins

9/9/2008 3:09 PM UTC

Here's a few more for you: "Teilhardism and the New Religion: A Thorough Analysis of the Teachings of Pierre Teilhard de Chardin" by Wolfgang Smith and "The Interruption of Eternity: Modern Gnosticism and the Origins of the New Religious Consciousness" by Carl Raschke.

Phillip Collins

9/9/2008 3:04 PM UTC

Here are some sources for you to check. They demonstrate the distillation of occult beliefs as political ideology. Hope you find them helpful. They are "Fire in the Minds of Man" by James Billington, "The New Science of Politics" by Eric Voegelin, and "The Enlightenment, Freemasonry, and the Illuminati" by Conrad Goeringer. These are just a few. I'll post some more for your perusal.

Saintpierre

9/9/2008 1:51 PM UTC

What is your evidence for your position? I live in Washington DC and I see a lot of occult symbolism throughout the city. The practices of Skull and Bones and Bohemian grove contradict your position. What did you discuss with Cumbey? What evidence makes your position truth and mine not true? You state your position as a matter of fact. Do you have a seat at the round table? If you do not then the documented evidence supports my position more than yours.

Phillip Collins

9/9/2008 1:10 PM UTC

We did not backpedal. We are more than familiar with Constance Cumbey (whom, by the way, I briefly corresponded with concerning an article I posted at NewsWithViews). We are also familiar with all of the quotes by Pike, Hall, and other Masonic ideologues. We are aware of the occult elements to the power elite's supremacy doctrine. However, what you are wanting to believe in is some overt form of satanism. In most cases, what we are dealing with is not so overt. The New Age, which Cumbey has stud

Saintpierre

9/8/2008 6:24 PM UTC

part3 continue... You guys have NOT done your home work. Your research is incomplete. There is also evidence that they are practicing Lucerferians in the religious sense and not in the humanistic sense. You all must know this. You must have come across this in your research so why do you ignore this evidence? Your web site and books talk about the religious elements but you seem to back pedal in your position during this interview. Could it be that you are seeking schlarly approval from th

Saintpierre

9/8/2008 6:23 PM UTC

attack people who believe that the conspiracy is organized in a top down structure. Why all of the name calliing guys? You discredit them based on your feelings without proving why they are incorrect. They have documented reasons for believing in what they do. Documents by the same people that you quote. You simply ignore those quotes. Could it be that you restrict your research and thereby limit your findings? Their own writings indicate that they are more religious than political. You guys h

Saintpierre

9/8/2008 6:19 PM UTC

What is really going on with the Collins Brothers? There is a lot of evidence that shows that this is a religious conspiracy. There is evidence that the elite are new agers. Constance Cumbey and others have proven that there is a new age plot among the wealthy elite that is thriving as recently as 1991. The Collins claim that this religion, lead by Blavotsky in the late 19th century no longer exists but we have tons of evidence to the contrary. I am also disappointed in the fact that they a