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My business is devoted to showing consumers how to stop collection agency threats,abuse and illegal behavior through a self help system that I developed because some years ago I was a victim of these abuses. Instead of being a victim I chose to educate my self and become their worst nightmare. I offer a lot of free advice and counseling along with my self help StoptheCallsFast.Com system
Date / Time: 6/29/2009 7:17 PM UTC
To appreciate the frustration of dealing with bureaucratic stupidity and incompetence you need to first read parts 1 and 2 to really appreciate how big business and specifically large financial institutions succeed in compromising consumers day in and day out. You will recall that this saga began on December 26, 2008 when I went to a Sears Roebuck or a "Sears" store to make some purchases.
I am going to insert the letter from the Comptroller of the Currency which was sent to me on June 10, 2009. Please remember that I first wrote to this agency in February, 2009. Please note when reading this letter how they liberally quote from the letter I received from Citibank,South Dakota, NA to justify their inaction and also their lack of understanding of the issue(s) I am bringing to the table. When reading this letter from the OCC I almost started to believe that they work for Citibank South Dakota, NA.
No one ever disputed the right of a business to retain internal records regarding its dealings with customers for as long it deems practicable. My issue here is twofold. The bank lied about the source of the information used to make its decision as is proven by the recording of the phone call I made to them (See Part 1). They claimed their source was Equifax and solely Equifax. Secondarily, I maintain that there is a serious issue of non disclosure here. If you read the bank's disclosure statement on the credit card application do you see any language that would tell you that the bank is relying on old customer records as much as 30 years old?
Most people including me are walking around thinking that when you apply for a credit card that your credit file is pulled from Equifax, TransUnion or Experian. Reports could come from one of them or all three. We now see that in some instances this is not the case, i.e, that other sources of information are relied on.
The other block buster that the bank is getting away with is their rather liberal use of the term "existing account" If I asked you to define the term existing account for me, what would you say? Please post an answer to this on this blog. As you know the bank has its own definition of "existing account" as you have already read.
Citibank, South Dakota, NA/Sears defines existing account as any account I have now or have had in the past even if it was 20 or 30 years ago and even if the account is closed, the debt has been sold or the debt was discharged in bankruptcy.
If you read this letter from the OCC they state that Sears understands my dissatisfaction regarding the declined application. Again the OCC never read the file carefully as far as I can discern. I did not ask Sears for a credit card. I was going to pay cash;they asked me to apply for one. Additionally I was given the credit card application(hard copy) after being induced to apply for the credit card.
My effort here is to somehow encourage those who make our laws on the state and federal level to force those who grant credit and impact the financial welfare of consumers to treat consumers with respect and dignity; not to confuse them or obfuscate an understanding of the true facts as illustrated I hope by the present case.
When there are too many credit inquiries on your credit report it can lower your FICO score. I believe people who apply for credit accounts, installment accounts or other types of loans have the right to know specifically what information a creditor is going to rely on. The term "other information" which Citibank South Dakota, NA employs is very insufficient in my humble opinion.
I am going to lobby my Congressional representatives and try to be instrumental so that the Fair Credit Reporting Act be amended specifically so that consumers understand that when they make credit applications they know exactly what facts and information about them are being used in when credit decisions are made.
Date / Time: 6/23/2009 4:35 PM UTC
I was waiting to hear back from the U.S. Comptroller Of The Currency before writing this blogpost. I filed a formal complaint against Citibank South Dakota and Sears in January and Febuary 2009. Gee those people at the Comptroller of the Currency really work fast don't they? Four months to answer a complaint....Wow.
Anyway, I'll try to be as brief as possible while still giving you all of the facts which is more than I can say for my friends at Citibank South Dakota NA and Sears. On December 26, 2008 I went to the Sears retail location in Milford, CT because I needed some essentials and because they always have their best sale the day after Christmas.
I selected my items and proceeded to go to the cashier to pay with my debit card. I do not use retail chain credit cards; I prefer to pay in cash. In the process of paying for my merchandise the woman who was handling my transaction asked me if I wished to apply for a "Sears" credit card. I replied negatively stating that I already had enough credit cards and did not need another one. She then added that I applied I would get another 15% off of my purchase. So I said to myself, "Hey what the hell, I'll get the card and then cut it up but still get the discount here and now". So I told her to go ahead since the discount came to about another $15.00 off of my purchase.
She asked me for my drivers license and social security number. The register then printed out what I though would be the approval of my credit application. To my surprise the lady told me that I would be receiving a letter in the mail and that if I wished to know why I was denied credit that I could call the toll free number which she gave me on the register receipt.
Let us just say that I was standing there in amazement. Coincidentally, just days before I had pulled my Equifax credit report. It had negative information or late pays on it. It was triple A. I also knew that my FICO score was well above 700. So you can see why I may have been very astounded to be denied credit by a "department store".
Upon arriving home I called the toll free number which was answered by Citibank South Dakota NA. I was informed that the reason I was denied credit was because of "an unsatisfactory payment history on an existing account" and that the source of the information was Equifax. The problem is and was that no such information about my credit existed within Equifax's databases. Please hold the term existing account in your memory banks because it will become very important as this story unfolds.
You might say upon hearing this erroneous information regarding why my credit application was denied that I was basically highly agitated, i.e., major league pissed off!. On Saturday morning, December 27, 2008, I called Equifax and was assured by a manager there that no such negative information existed about me within their records. I have in my possession a letter from Equifax which explicitly states this fact.
Talk about going ballistic, I was ready to fire my cruise missiles and Citibank South Dakota and Sears. To compound my angst and frustration I had 3 banking relationships with Citibank, NA and was given a very generous line of credit in one of the accounts 5 months or so prior to receiving the Sears declination.
There is a big distinction between Citibank, NA South Dakota and Citibank, N.A. Please do not confuse the two. The entity with the designation of South Dakota offers credit card services as opposed to the corporate, investment and retail banking activities of Citibank, NA.
After my conversation on Saturday, December 27 with Equifax, I called Citibank, South Dakota, NA. This is when all the fun really started. I had the distinct displeasure of speaking to a Mr. Davis and was treated to some of most rude, arrogant and obnoxious behavior. This individual was enjoying playing God on my dime. He was condescending and spoke to me as though I was some kind of "deadbeat". His attitude was that the credit application was denied and it was basically too bad if I found fault with Citibank South Dakota's credit approval procedures.
I called back Citibank South Dakota, NA and asked for Mr. Davis' supervisor. I was connected to a Ms. Shays who was just the opposite of Mr. Davis. She was factual, helpful and understanding. At this point the situation really started to become interesting.
The bottom line here is the convenient use and definition of terms employed by Sears/Citibank. It should be noted that the people with whom I was conversing at the Citibank location in South Dakota were all former Sears employees.
Remember the term "existing account" mentioned herein? The Sears/Citibank definition of existing account can mean any account that a person has or has had even if said account was closed 20 years ago!! What do you think about that? This was explained to me by Ms. Shays. It so happens that I did have an account with Sears in 1993 and that I did include the account in a bankruptcy which was filed 16 years ago. This is and was the existing account to which they were referring. How's them for apples?
What was revealed to me within days of my conversation with Mr. Davis by his Manager, Ms. Shays was that within a year and some months prior to my making a solicited credit application to Sears that the Sears credit card operations were sold to Citibank, South Dakota, NA.
So in my opinion what we have here is the rather elastic and make it what you will use of the term "existing account" by the former employees of Sears who now work for Citibank South Dakota, NA. The problem is that Citibank and Citibank South Dakota, NA never had any problem with giving me credit. Doesn't it appear as if one hand does not know what the other is doing here?
Most people believe and are sure that under the Fair Credit Reporting Act tha negative information with the exclusion of bankruptcies must be removed from all of your credit reports after 7 years plus 180 days have passed. So if you go to apply for credit after the 7 1/2 years you would assume that all negative information which may have appeared about you before that time clock started ticking would be gone. That is true and accurate. What does not go away is internal records which businesses have about you and which may be as old as 20, 30 or 40 years.
This is the information which Sears Citibank was using. The only problem in my opinion is that although they have the legal right to use internal information that they must be legally bound to disclose to a prospective credit applicant that their are utilizing said information prior to the credit application being signed not after it is signed.
The other issue is how evasive and obfuscatory they were about finally disclosing the real reason for the decision not to give me a Sears credit card. I am going to share with you the exact wording in the Sears credit application the hard copy of which was given to me by the cashier after I applied for credit not before.
The pertinent language is as follows:
"Personal Information We Collect and May Disclose
The personal information we collect about you comes from the following sources:
we may disclose any of the above information that we collect to affiliates and nonaffiliated third parties as described below.
The term "personal information," as used in this notice, means information that identifies you personally.We may use information which does not personally identify you to help manage our businesses and to provide us, our affiliates, and other companies insight into consumer spending behavior. We may do htis even if you ask us to limit disclosure of personal information about, as described in the Privacy Choices Form that you receive with your credit card."
I apologize for the wordiness of the relevant language but as you can see there is no reference to what Sears specifically uses to make a credit determination. The Fair Credit Reporting Act does not cover what business can and cannot do with their internal records. Upon first glance I found the language they use to be evasive, misleading and very non specific.
So what is my object in sharing all of this with you? In January of this year I shared my entire file with the CT Attorney General's Office, the Head of the Senate Banking Committee, Senator Chris Dodd and the U.S. Comptroller of the Currency. My goal is to have the Fair Credit Reporting Act amended to encompass what I view in the case presented here as being one of another way to abuse consumers. Surely 999 out of 1000 people applying for credit at Sears would never think that accounts they had 15,20 or 30 years ago would be taken account when decisions were to be made on their credit applications.
When you are denied credit it negatively impacts your FICO score. For some people this could be very harmful to their financial health. Stay tuned for to read about the Sears/Citibank written response, what the U.S. Comptroller of the Currency and the Office of Senator Christopher Dodd have done to be helpful (NOT).
Date / Time: 6/16/2009 6:10 PM UTC
On March 30 of this year I published a blog entitled "Debt Collectors Who Will Sue You". Well how about I turn the tables and sue one of them? Yes, that is correct Robert L. Friedman will soon be suing a well known slime ball debt collector firm for violations of the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act. You need to know all about this so when its your turn to get them you can come out with guns blazing.
In March,2008 I received a "Settlement Offer" on an account which was erroneously attributed to me with the original creditor listed as GE/Exxon. Emmmmm, I did know that GE and Exxon merged, did you? Anyway the letter claimed I owed a current balance of $400.00 but they were willing to settle for $200.30. I don't know where the $.30 came from. The sender of this correspondence was an entity we'll call "ABC Debt Collector" and they're collecting for the current owner of the account which is a conglomerate of debt buyers and collectors that I believe is part of or owned by the Sherman group of collectors.
I called ABC Debt Collector after getting their letter and asked who owned the company and what their mailing address was. The half literate person on the other end of the phone refused to give me this information. It was not until I demanded to speak to her supervisor that she complied.
Within days of receiving the letter from ABC Debt Collector I sent a cease and desist letter via certified mail (one of which I use in my STCF System). In the letter I explained that I had no knowledge of this debt and that they should immediately comply with the law, not to have any further contact with me, and to be sure that this fictitious debt was not reported to any of the credit bureaus.
I should also mention that copies of this letter also went to the Ohio State Attorney General's Office because that is where the collector has an office as well as the Attorney General for Connecticut, Richard Blumenthal. It's always a smart move to Cc: attorneys general and even the Federal Trade Commission. Even if these parties do not move on your complaint it is then harder for the debt collector criminals to claim that they never received your cease and desist letter or to ignore it. Further, in my experience and in the experience of my attorney, the more complaints these agencies get the more aware they are of the epidemic problem of debt collection harassment. Because of a lack of resources, they may not investigate your one complaint, but if everyone who is harassed makes a complaint, they are more likely to take action against these collectors.
In response to my cease and desist letter, On March 21, 2008 I received a letter from ABC Debt Collector advising me that they"....have stopped collecting on this account and [nad] have returned your account to the creditor listed above." At that point I figured I was done with them. NOT!!!!!!
On May 2 of this year I received another "Settlement Offer" from ABC Debt Collector . On the same account! This time they claimed I owed $442.14 to GE/Exxon but were willing to settle for $221.07. How big of them:-). They also added the name of one of collection companies that is part of the conglomerate [sub companies of their client] as now being the [original] "current" creditor. I suppose I was supposed to be moved by this.
Since helping people deal with debt collectors and weeding out their unfair and deceptive tactics [the subject matter here] is my business, I started salivating and licking my chops. I thought to myself that I would have no problem taking money from these morons for law violations. I consulted with Attorney Sarah Poris , who regularly brings suit against debt collectors and who defends people being sued on old credit card debt, and who I have previously mentioned on this blog. [and] She believed the debt collector had already violated the FDCPA because they promised me a year ago that they would close the account and stop collecting, and here they were trying to get money from me again. There is a provision of the FDCPA that states that if the consumer notifies the debt collector in writing that the consumer refuses to pay the debt, the collector must cease attempts to collect the debt. Her advice to me was to send them a certifed letter stating that I refuse to pay the subject debt.
The object of this exercise was to see if they knew that they were required to cease attempts to collect since I informed them in writing that I refused to pay the debt under the FDCPA. No such luck. I holstered my weapon. But wait till you hear what happened next.
Thirteen days later I received a letter from ABC Debt Collector stating that they have stopped collecting on the subject debt, returned the collection account to their client and if they reported the account to the "credit repositories" they would request that the account(s) be deleted from my credit report. OK, I guess they can do that.
But at the end of May I received another letter- but this time from ABC Debt Collector's parent company confirming that I would receive no further communications on the subject account. They also included a paltry, pathetic attempt to insinuate that they are validating the account and which claimed that the validation verifies the debt. I have discussed validation on this blog previously and if you have read some of my [p]articles you know that validation of an account means presenting proof that the debtor applied for the account, used the account, with supporting documentation; not a phony affidavit or an in house generated account statement.
Wow, I did not even rate any of that fraudulent stuff. These bozos just sent a printed letter titled "Validation of Debt" which stated that the account was acquired from another sleaze ball debt collection outfit and that it was now owned by the present sleaze ball debt collector. No documents, no copies of anything. I guess they expect that their word is compelling enough.
Oh well my attorney now has this matter in her very capable hands.
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