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Speakout America. "Wild" Bill Lindley. Standing up for what America satands for and making truth the issue.
Original Air Date: 4/28/2009 12:00 PM UTC
Date / Time: 4/27/2009 2:47 PM UTC
Above the law or outside it
Beyond the legal limits of torture
By D. Lindley Young aka Bill Lindley Reprinted from The Modern Tribune - January 10, 2005 "Gonzales will do nothing but advance this country into a greater state of fascism. His commitment to follow the law and protect American rights means nothing if he views the rest of the law though the same lens that he used to view the 'torture' laws." WASHINGTON, D.C. (1/10) - The central issue during the Senate Judiciary Committee hearings this past week on the confirmation of Alberto Gonzales as the attorney general of the United States, was whether White House policy condones torture and whether torture is justified. The official position of the White House is that there has never been a policy condoning torture. However, according to a number of authorities, U.S. and international laws against torture and inhume treatment of prisoners have been repeatedly violated by the U.S.
The problem started at the top. According to Gonzales, there was a point that important information was needed to save innocent lives and a decision on torture had to be made. Gonzales admits that the President was involved in the debate and decisions on the White House torture policy which sought the outer limits of permissible lawful torture in order to obtain information and further the President's agenda. The widely disseminated Gonzales/Bush "torture memos" sent a signal to U.S. troops that torture is permitted. and resulted in torture in Iraq, Afghanistan, Gauntanamo and in other countries to which the U.S. delivered prisoners.
The "torture memos" argued in essence that Bush was above the law in war. By seeking to redefine torture the President invaded the province of Congress by creating new Presidential laws on torture which were in complete contradiction to existing law. The dissemination of the "torture memos" - which instructed on guidelines for the outer limits of permissible torture - constituted de facto approval of torture by the President.
See full article: http://www.themoderntribune.com/gonzalez_bush_u_s_policy_on_torture.htm
Date / Time: 4/27/2009 1:25 PM UTC
By D. LINDLEY YOUNG aka Bill Lindley Reprint from The Modern Tribune - May 17, 2004 "Their good versus evil crusade creates self serving justifications that permit them to do evil for the sake of destroying evil." WASHINGTON, D.C. (5/17) - Every day more and more the questions about the Iraqi detainee abuse scandal center on the leadership that allowed, condoned and created the abuse. New Yorker and Newsweek investigations published this week create concerns by many about whether the abuse was condoned from the top down, rather than the result of renegade acts of a few bad apple MPs. Evidence of a secret strategy to avoid the Geneva Convention is emerging. This secret plan which included sexual humiliation was, according to the New Yorker and Newsweek, known to George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld. Apparently, the tragedy to do what had to be done to get information was justified by the Bush administration on the basis that the "war against terrorism is a new kind of war" that requires a "new paradigm render[ing] obsolete Geneva's strict limitations on questioning of enemy prisoners." Bush and Rumsfeld approved the secret plan, over objections by the State Department and requests to reconsider the new policy. Despite administration claims of moral clarity in a messianic mission to rid the world of evil and impose democracy by military force, it must be asked, is the US sacrificing its principles and becoming that which it says it is fighting? Many would argue that it is not America, but, rather the renegade acts of a few who have gained control of the farm. Are we in George Orwell's Animal Farm? Orwell wrote it as a parable about the Russian Revolution, as an example of how a revolutionary government could be worse than its monarchist predecessor. The key lesson of Animal Farm is that the organization's bosses often manipulate the organization for their own benefit, and end up being as bad, if not worse, than the real or imaginary evils from which they are protecting their followers. When the pigs took over they began to justify why they were different and needed special treatment. In the end they committed worse acts than the people they replaced. Messianic mission and secrecy What makes the Abu Ghraid detainee abuse so bad for Bush is that Bush sets himself up as a good Christian law abiding man that provides trusted principled leadership. He has betrayed that illusion and America by taking actions and failing to act, under circumstances that would lead one to believe he and his administration think they are above the law because of their noble mission. Their hubris about their moral clarity justifies the means to their ends. Their good versus evil crusade creates self serving justifications that permit them to do evil for the sake of destroying evil. This is what Orwell was trying to get across. When one gets in a position of power they justify why taking actions that they criticized other for is needed. Abu Ghraid may expose Bush for what he is - a man who will do anything and say anything to fulfill his secret agendas and a man that thinks he is above the law and truth because his is on a messianic mission to provide "God's gift of democracy." Bush has received bi-partisan criticism for his lofty goals. For example, Senator Pat Roberts (R), Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, recently stated, "In fighting the global war against terrorism ...we need to restrain what are growing U.S. messianic instincts -- a sort of global social engineering where the United States feels it is both entitled and obligated to promote democracy -- by force, if necessary." While stressing U.S. willingness "to use force unilaterally if necessary," he called it "time for some hard-headed assessment of American interests." Another criticism of the Bush administration has been its secrecy. John Dean's book "Worse than Watergate" tabs the Bush secrecy as a threat to democracy itself. This secrecy lead to war with Iraq. There were attempts to quell opposition to the war with, contentions that they knew more than they could tell (for security reasons) and the assertion of misstatements about what they actually knew (the aluminum tubes, batteries, mobile labs, Nigerian uranium, hundreds of tons of chemical weapons, alliance with al Qaeda, etc.), that led us to war in Iraq. The secrecy and deception of the Bush administration appear to be policy. The combination of a messianic mission and secrecy are root causes and drivers for the policies that lead to the Iraqi detainee abuse scandal. Approval of sexual humiliation Although Bush and Rumsfeld admit they knew of the abuse, they have not been open about the extent of their involvement in creating the circumstances that lead to the abuse. The evidence is building. Seymour Hersh’s article “The Gray Zone,” published on May 15 by the New Yorker, reveals how Rumsfeld, assisted by his Undersecretary for Intelligence Stephen Cambone, set up a secret program to assassinate targeted individuals in the Bush administration’s “war on terror.” This program was later extended to the interrogation of prisoners captured in Afghanistan and Iraq. According to Hersh, the program “encouraged physical coercion and sexual humiliation of Iraqi prisoners in an effort to generate more intelligence about the growing insurgency in Iraq.” An article in the May 24 issue of Newsweek, titled “The Roots of Torture,” has revealed the bitter internal disputes triggered in the US government by the Bush administration’s decision to discard the Geneva Conventions and foster a general atmosphere of lawlessness with regards to detainees held by the US. Newsweek quotes a January 25, 2002 memo by White House counsel Alberto Gonzales to President Bush, advocating scrapping the Geneva Conventions so as to shield US officials from prosecution for war crimes during the “war on terror.” Gonzales wrote: “As you have said, the war on terrorism is a new kind of war. [...] In my judgment, this new paradigm renders obsolete Geneva’s strict limitations on questioning of enemy prisoners and renders quaint some of its provisions.” President Bush approved a policy that the Geneva Convention wouldn't apply to suspected al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters held in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. When the war in Iraq started to go badly, Rumsfeld extended these aggressive interrogation policies to Iraqi prisons. According to the current issue of Newsweek, "It was an approach that they adopted to sidestep the historical safeguards of the Geneva Conventions, which protect the rights of detainees and prisoners of war. In doing so, they overrode the objections of Secretary of State Colin Powell and America's top military lawyers - and they left underlings to sweat the details of what actually happened to prisoners in these lawless places. While no one deliberately authorized outright torture, these techniques entailed a systematic softening up of prisoners through isolation, privations, insults, threats and humiliation - methods that the Red Cross concluded were 'tantamount to torture.'" These reports are consistent with admissions made by Rumsfeld in hearing before Congress. According to Rumsfeld, the idea of "softening up, was not intended to permit the type of conduct which resulted. However, the Taguba report found "that contrary to the provision of AR 190-8, and the findings found in MG Ryder’s Report, Military Intelligence (MI) interrogators and other US Government Agency’s (OGA) interrogators actively requested that MP guards set physical and mental conditions for favorable interrogation of witnesses." Setting the conditions for exploitation, may have sent the wrong message when taken with language like "soften up." Geneva Convention and war crimes The Geneva Convention of 1949 prevents physical and mental torture. Yet, Bush justifies why his war on terror places his administration above that law. The rape, murder, some of the interrogation tactics used by the U.S., and detaining people without charges for over six months are clear violations of the Geneva Convention. But, the Bush administration will argue, a noble mission justifies the conduct. In Animal Farm the animals had a clear standard to determine good and bad. "Four legs good, two legs baaad!" The policies of the Bush administration as well as its actions are similar, clear lines of demarcation - good and evil - and justification for why their actions are proper based upon their perceived need to do what they do. Under the guise of protecting America, they are destroying the principles for which we stand. Is this a defense to war crimes? Some think we should find out. According to Newsweek, "The White House's top lawyer warned more than two years ago that U.S. officials could be prosecuted for "war crimes" as a result of new and unorthodox measures used by the Bush administration in the war on terrorism, according to an internal White House memo and interviews with participants in the debate over the issue." When we stoop to tactics which our principles abhor, we have lost the ideals for which we stand. Noble purpose which goes beyond the law is no defense. Although Kevorkian participated in assisted suicide mercy killings, he sits in jail because it was against the law. He may have meant well but the law is the law. No one should be above it.
WASHINGTON, D.C. (5/17) - Every day more and more the questions about the Iraqi detainee abuse scandal center on the leadership that allowed, condoned and created the abuse. New Yorker and Newsweek investigations published this week create concerns by many about whether the abuse was condoned from the top down, rather than the result of renegade acts of a few bad apple MPs.
Evidence of a secret strategy to avoid the Geneva Convention is emerging. This secret plan which included sexual humiliation was, according to the New Yorker and Newsweek, known to George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld. Apparently, the tragedy to do what had to be done to get information was justified by the Bush administration on the basis that the "war against terrorism is a new kind of war" that requires a "new paradigm render[ing] obsolete Geneva's strict limitations on questioning of enemy prisoners." Bush and Rumsfeld approved the secret plan, over objections by the State Department and requests to reconsider the new policy. Despite administration claims of moral clarity in a messianic mission to rid the world of evil and impose democracy by military force, it must be asked, is the US sacrificing its principles and becoming that which it says it is fighting? Many would argue that it is not America, but, rather the renegade acts of a few who have gained control of the farm.
Are we in George Orwell's Animal Farm? Orwell wrote it as a parable about the Russian Revolution, as an example of how a revolutionary government could be worse than its monarchist predecessor. The key lesson of Animal Farm is that the organization's bosses often manipulate the organization for their own benefit, and end up being as bad, if not worse, than the real or imaginary evils from which they are protecting their followers. When the pigs took over they began to justify why they were different and needed special treatment. In the end they committed worse acts than the people they replaced.
Messianic mission and secrecy
What makes the Abu Ghraid detainee abuse so bad for Bush is that Bush sets himself up as a good Christian law abiding man that provides trusted principled leadership. He has betrayed that illusion and America by taking actions and failing to act, under circumstances that would lead one to believe he and his administration think they are above the law because of their noble mission.
Their hubris about their moral clarity justifies the means to their ends. Their good versus evil crusade creates self serving justifications that permit them to do evil for the sake of destroying evil. This is what Orwell was trying to get across. When one gets in a position of power they justify why taking actions that they criticized other for is needed.
Abu Ghraid may expose Bush for what he is - a man who will do anything and say anything to fulfill his secret agendas and a man that thinks he is above the law and truth because his is on a messianic mission to provide "God's gift of democracy."
Bush has received bi-partisan criticism for his lofty goals. For example, Senator Pat Roberts (R), Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, recently stated, "In fighting the global war against terrorism ...we need to restrain what are growing U.S. messianic instincts -- a sort of global social engineering where the United States feels it is both entitled and obligated to promote democracy -- by force, if necessary." While stressing U.S. willingness "to use force unilaterally if necessary," he called it "time for some hard-headed assessment of American interests."
Another criticism of the Bush administration has been its secrecy. John Dean's book "Worse than Watergate" tabs the Bush secrecy as a threat to democracy itself.
This secrecy lead to war with Iraq. There were attempts to quell opposition to the war with, contentions that they knew more than they could tell (for security reasons) and the assertion of misstatements about what they actually knew (the aluminum tubes, batteries, mobile labs, Nigerian uranium, hundreds of tons of chemical weapons, alliance with al Qaeda, etc.), that led us to war in Iraq. The secrecy and deception of the Bush administration appear to be policy.
The combination of a messianic mission and secrecy are root causes and drivers for the policies that lead to the Iraqi detainee abuse scandal.
Approval of sexual humiliation
Although Bush and Rumsfeld admit they knew of the abuse, they have not been open about the extent of their involvement in creating the circumstances that lead to the abuse. The evidence is building.
Seymour Hersh’s article “The Gray Zone,” published on May 15 by the New Yorker, reveals how Rumsfeld, assisted by his Undersecretary for Intelligence Stephen Cambone, set up a secret program to assassinate targeted individuals in the Bush administration’s “war on terror.” This program was later extended to the interrogation of prisoners captured in Afghanistan and Iraq. According to Hersh, the program “encouraged physical coercion and sexual humiliation of Iraqi prisoners in an effort to generate more intelligence about the growing insurgency in Iraq.”
An article in the May 24 issue of Newsweek, titled “The Roots of Torture,” has revealed the bitter internal disputes triggered in the US government by the Bush administration’s decision to discard the Geneva Conventions and foster a general atmosphere of lawlessness with regards to detainees held by the US.
Newsweek quotes a January 25, 2002 memo by White House counsel Alberto Gonzales to President Bush, advocating scrapping the Geneva Conventions so as to shield US officials from prosecution for war crimes during the “war on terror.” Gonzales wrote: “As you have said, the war on terrorism is a new kind of war. [...] In my judgment, this new paradigm renders obsolete Geneva’s strict limitations on questioning of enemy prisoners and renders quaint some of its provisions.”
President Bush approved a policy that the Geneva Convention wouldn't apply to suspected al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters held in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. When the war in Iraq started to go badly, Rumsfeld extended these aggressive interrogation policies to Iraqi prisons. According to the current issue of Newsweek, "It was an approach that they adopted to sidestep the historical safeguards of the Geneva Conventions, which protect the rights of detainees and prisoners of war. In doing so, they overrode the objections of Secretary of State Colin Powell and America's top military lawyers - and they left underlings to sweat the details of what actually happened to prisoners in these lawless places. While no one deliberately authorized outright torture, these techniques entailed a systematic softening up of prisoners through isolation, privations, insults, threats and humiliation - methods that the Red Cross concluded were 'tantamount to torture.'"
These reports are consistent with admissions made by Rumsfeld in hearing before Congress. According to Rumsfeld, the idea of "softening up, was not intended to permit the type of conduct which resulted. However, the Taguba report found "that contrary to the provision of AR 190-8, and the findings found in MG Ryder’s Report, Military Intelligence (MI) interrogators and other US Government Agency’s (OGA) interrogators actively requested that MP guards set physical and mental conditions for favorable interrogation of witnesses." Setting the conditions for exploitation, may have sent the wrong message when taken with language like "soften up."
Geneva Convention and war crimes
The Geneva Convention of 1949 prevents physical and mental torture. Yet, Bush justifies why his war on terror places his administration above that law. The rape, murder, some of the interrogation tactics used by the U.S., and detaining people without charges for over six months are clear violations of the Geneva Convention. But, the Bush administration will argue, a noble mission justifies the conduct.
In Animal Farm the animals had a clear standard to determine good and bad. "Four legs good, two legs baaad!" The policies of the Bush administration as well as its actions are similar, clear lines of demarcation - good and evil - and justification for why their actions are proper based upon their perceived need to do what they do. Under the guise of protecting America, they are destroying the principles for which we stand. Is this a defense to war crimes? Some think we should find out.
According to Newsweek, "The White House's top lawyer warned more than two years ago that U.S. officials could be prosecuted for "war crimes" as a result of new and unorthodox measures used by the Bush administration in the war on terrorism, according to an internal White House memo and interviews with participants in the debate over the issue."
When we stoop to tactics which our principles abhor, we have lost the ideals for which we stand. Noble purpose which goes beyond the law is no defense. Although Kevorkian participated in assisted suicide mercy killings, he sits in jail because it was against the law. He may have meant well but the law is the law. No one should be above it.
Original Air Date: 4/27/2009 1:00 PM UTC
Date / Time: 4/23/2009 10:14 PM UTC
Written before the election by D. Lindley Young aka "Wild"Bill Lindley
We are anxious, and maybe a little desperate, for someone to believe in. We want a person of their word that does what they say. Regardless, many of us cannot help but cautiously test the water before jumping in and supporting any candidate. Despite being burnt by many politicians, I think that there is something deep within us that hopes we have found the one to believe in.
No doubt about it. Barack Obama inspires and this sparkle is like water for a thirsty man in the desert. Cool and refreshing. But, after being stung so many times when reaching for the honey, we must look to see if the nugget is gold all through and through.
There are some unanswered questions about Obama. Most obviously, the Rezko Affair which puts squarely in issue Barack's judgment, integrity and whether he has real concern for his own people.
When he was in the Illinois State Legislature Rezko, whom Obama calls a friend, owned 11 buildings in Obama’s district. Some had no heat in the winter and constituents complained to Obama. It does not appear that Barack did much, if anything, about constituent complaints other than send them to the Housing Authority. During this period Barack took thousands of dollars from Rezko. It does not appear that he gave the Rezko money to charity until after he was caught.
Integrity at the point of a gun, is not much to brag about.
Call me a Doubting Thomas when it comes to all candidates.
We heard the integrity and unity bit before. That bit was the campaign mantra of George W. Bush when he took the 2000 Presidential election. He delivered neither. Bush divided the country more starkly than any President in a century and made hundreds of false statements to lure America into an unnecessary war of aggression. So much for talk.
Many Obama supporters are being swept up in a carnival like atmosphere gleefully riding the merry-go-round while reaching for the brass ring of change. Is what we think we see in Obama real or is it the mirage of a thirsty man in the desert? It cannot hurt to stop for a second, look, and listen. It is so important that it would not be hyperbole to say that the future of America, if not the world, is at stake.
Is Barack Obama a snake oil salesman with a hypnotic potion or a modern day Savanarola striking at political immorality and real change?
There has always been a thrill of finding fools gold. But, there is despair when the assessor tells us the truth. Let’s hope that Obama is the real thing. But, if he is the snake oil salesman that is the same ole Washington we hate. Pretending to be something you are not is not a new kind of politics. It is the exact thing we want to change.
Date / Time: 4/23/2009 7:33 PM UTC
By D. Lindley Young aka "Wild" Bill Lindley
WASHINGTON, D.C. (1/24) - In a workmanlike manner President Barrack Hussein Obama delivered his acceptance speech on January 20th in one of the most watched events in the history of television and at the most expensive inaugural ever. His mission was to appear presidential, display confidence, set a general tone for the direction he intends to take America, and make clear that there would be change on eight years of Bush policies. Most would agree he did this.
There was a tap down from the overly soaring language he used during the campaign as the realities of having to actually deliver on his promises must begin to bare heavily on his shoulders and his conscience. As Obama warns of the difficulties; two wars, a financial crisis, etc. he lets us know not to expect results too quickly and that there may be setbacks. I bit of caution by a man with a reputation for caution.
There was none of that "I will change the world," hyperbole. Many would argue that there were no memorable lines like "four score..." or "ask not..." But, most would agree he gave a good speech hitting at illegal wire tapping, rendition, black sites and other vacations from what America is standing up for American "ideals" over expediency. Putting America back to work rebuilding, not only its image, but, also its infrastructure.
History was made as the the first black man in American history became the 44th president on the United States with the message, "We are ready to lead once again." Only time will tell if Obama can restore America's role as an example of the great ideals it once stood for.
Original Air Date: 4/23/2009 5:30 PM UTC
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