Sawyer on Ti and Do aka The Two Witnesses - The non-religious, non-space alien, non-spiritualized "Father" and Jesus (name used last time they came) team  

hello,

I was passed your question. I was with Ti and Do dedicated for 19 years.

So, castration - yes a big and potentially confusing issue and there is a long detailed answer that I need to document to be thorough but in short the idea was first expressed....well in actuality, though Ti and Do did not teach us directly from the gospels of Jesus, it started with Jesus in four ways:

1) love god with All - heart, soul, mind and strength
2) adultery was in body and mind - if you lust for another while committed to another you are as guilty as if you had had a physical relationship (Jesus was advancing their self discipline a notch)
3) There are those who make themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake
4) if a member, such as one's right or left hand offends you, it's better to cut it off than to sin and go to eternal damnation.

Again Ti and Do did not teach these paraphrased passages but they said they were from the same family as Jesus so they do  form a foundation that if you can't stop yourself from repeatedly sinning however that is defined then you will not necessarily be judged by God harshly should you decide you want to show how much you want to give to God, by even changing your body.

(It's interesting how that is such a big no no, while cosmetic surgery of all kinds is more and more considered an acceptable norm in the human social "cults". Sex change operations are even covered by some insurance programs, as well as enlargements of this or that and perhaps hundreds of other surgeries many go through in the name of vanity and to be more attractive).

(And by the way, Jesus did not say to cut off another's "member" (hand, for instance) because they "sinned", as later became a practice in some countries to punish people for stealing and such. It was purely about us - a right and yes an extreme, just like giving ALL to God is looked upon, but nonetheless a "right" to do with our own bodies what we want that doesn't harm another and is not done for purely negative reasons, negative being that which abuses or harms or murders another)

So how did it come to pass with Ti and Do?

One day Do met with the males of the group. This was only time he ever did just meet with one gender. He said he had to expose that he's had a "nocternal emmission". We as students tried to maintain celebacy of mind and body around the clock, thus tried to protect ourselves from sex dreams by instructing our body to wake up should a sex dream start. However, many sex dreams begin because of tiny mental indulgences that build up hormones in the body and eventually need release thus what has been termed a wet dream. Do taught us not to feel guilty about having them but to use them to instill better discipline and consider whatever happens at night like a relief value should such occur.

At this meeting with Do he then went on to explain that he was considering having the operation and that he'd already reseached it. (We had a registered nurse in our team who worked full time for an surgeon who routinely did orchectomy's on those with testicular cancer, in which she was his assistant for much of a year having had a previous history in nursing).

Do said he had no instruction to proceed but did have instruction to express it to the males as to castrate a female is a much more complicated act and with much more serious ramifications that could even threaten one's life, while with the males, it's almost as if God designed the human male to be able to have a quick and easy end to being a reproductive person as is demonstrated with animals all the time.

This was in around 1990 already  14+ years for all those there at the time that we were together with Ti and Do. Many of the males certainly wanted to be rid of the sexual urges they still had to deal with. I mean it is always a good mental will power developer to fight off thoughts of sensuality but it also clouds one's objective judgement when for instance doing a task with a female in my case that I might have found attractive to where I might not be a good task partner as I could be had I not been hormonally attracted. In other words I might give in to another's ideas and even be tempted to fall off the wagon so to speak in our celebacy conviction.

So all the males considered the idea and from that not too long after one member decided to leave us.

Time passes, over a year and I have a long personal story to tell about that but during that time a few (actually 3)  petititioned Do to allow them to have the operation. Do did not bring it up again in a meeting. He did not do it either. He put it on hold nad it seemed it was a mind exercise to consider it as that is a way to front someone with what otherwise they may want to distant themselves from or use as a criteria to change direction realizing that they are not willing to give their "all" - totally trusting Do in this caes, the current representative from the One True Kingdom of God/Heaven what we called TELAH - The Evolutionary Level Above Human.

Do finally told the 3 zealots to hold off on asking more until he had a chance to consider it at his own pace which meant to talk to Ti his older member about it, who by then was no longer in her physical body - she had died by then - another long story.

Then one day Do called myself and srrody (one of the 39 who layed down their lives) and he said he got instuctions that he should not stand in our way but that he wanted to be sure we had it done right. He had aleady learned that few doctors would do such an operation in the U.S. when there was no disease and Mexico was ricky so he and the nurse (lvvody) and another helper (jnnody) set up a sterile room and srrody and I flipped a coin for who would go first. Srrody went first and I remained his partner afterwoulds and he was one of the 39. We had a problem with the operation and took srrody to a hospital where they easily solved it but Do was very upset at the problem and at one point said he wanted us to turn him into authorities...to which his close circle at that time to include me adamantly objected and that passed an srrody was fine and happy as can be and is on one of the exit videos. He's a skinny little redhaired fellow.

About a year later I left, another big long story not to escape "laying down my life" though - for other reasons, one of which took the shape of my giving into sensuality with myself - I allowed thoughts to overpower my discipline to maintain celebacy. When I wasn't regaining control I eventually told Do I had to leave and he understood and said to me..."you want to get more objective".

I was very close to Do. He is a wonderful soul in many ways, none of which have come out yet but I will tell many stories that will point it out. He was not like any of those we hear about in the news and did not have an evil or deceitful bone in his body. That's a fact!

So when I left, partially because of my leaving as had I had the operation perhaps I wouldn't have lelft, he chose to have it himself and as his students were wanting to be like their older member and he did not want to stop them from seeing him as their mentor and "father" he allowed whoever wanted to, to have the operation. Some members had little problems with sensuality so no need for them to have such an operation. So another 4 members had it done.

I hope this answers your questions.

If you want more information there are various places to get it as you found and use them all, but where I am putting most that I write is on http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sawyer and/or NowPublic.com

I will post this in both of these places in case others have the same questions.

sincerely,

sawyer aka swyody