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to More Love and Less Stress with Dr. Natalie Kather.
I'm Dr. Natalie Kather, and I'm honored to have as our guest today Tina Lowry, who is a clinic manager of our clinic here in beautiful Olympia, Washington, Advanced Family Wellness.
Welcome to all of our returning listeners, and welcome to our new listeners as well.
I'm really excited about today's show. Our topic is breast health. Tina, did you know that October is considered breast health awareness month?
Yeah, I did.
you think about that?
Well, I think that it should be on the books. It's that important. I think it should be a national day of rest.
because today is Friday, so--
And rest is good for your breast health, too, as we will find out.
true. There's some other things we could be doing with our breasts that will also help further our fun on a Friday, especially Friday night.
There you go.
I really wanted to do this show because I feel like breast health awareness month has been skewed by what we see in the media as not really a focus on health, but a focus on disease. And we hear about women should get mammograms and we see people with the little pink ribbons about look for a cure for disease, and really and truly I feel that prevention is the best cure. Or today I'll just go ahead and say prevention is the breast cure.
Very good. Gracefully said. And I agree, prevention is the best cure.
In fact, I was watching the Today Show, and they had a doctor on there who was talking about mammography, and how studies have come out about the likelihood of catching things early as opposed to not getting mammograms. And I thought you know, that's great that they have all this data about mammograms, but why aren't they also showing other alternatives? Why is it always focused on just mammograms for breast health and prevention?
It's a big industry.
It's a huge industry.
there's a lot of money to be made in having women regularly getting mammograms.
Right. And I think there's a place for that. I definitely think there's a place for that. But I think that there are certainly first lines of prevention before going to that extreme. But I do think that they can work hand-in-hand with other therapies as well.
you're right. It has been an ongoing controversy, even in the medical industry, about mammogram recommendations, and how soon should women start irradiating their breasts with mammograms to look for calcifications that might suggest some sort of malignancy.
I'm really glad that we have thermography as an option at the Tahoma Clinic up in Renton. I actually have had that test done. I've never pursued mammogram at this time in my life. I'm 41 and I'm glad to say that my breast health has been actually improving in many ways.
But when I had the thermography done, I went to a facility in Oregon at the time where I was living. It was nice in that there was no contact, no crushing of my breast tissue, I didn't have to worry about a screaming mammogram -- my nickname for screening mammogram -- type of interaction. What was really impressive about this thermography is that it looks for inflammation. And so I'm happy to say that I have blue, cold breasts. But it actually picked up my chronic gingivitis problem, which was interesting.
Oh, because it went up, up further.
It was a waist-up one that I had done. Then my friend Misha Jackson, on hers, it picked up a sinus infection in her frontal sinus. So that was very telling and validating, just even individually for each of us, that yes, it really does detect inflammation.
Sure. That's what's so great in the whole concept of prevention because it does catch things - it can see things early on in the beginning stages before it becomes an issue, before it becomes apparent. So that you can know that under the radar there's something not quite right, and that maybe you need to look further into it or change the way you're doing things based on that information. It makes you aware and alert that something's going on your system, even though you may not feel it too much yet, there's something not quite right and you need to move further so that it doesn't become a full-blown disease.
The thermography consultations that we've had done with our clients out of the Tahoma Clinic, there's varying degrees of inflammation like you're talking about. The most common cause of breast inflammation is a condition known as fibrocystic breast disease. And on these reports it's wonderful that it grades that type of inflammation. And when the inflammation is at a certain level, a threshold, the recommendation might be to proceed with mammogram from there.
But it makes sense to me to start with something like this that doesn't have radiation, and has greater sensitivity to the underlying problem, the true problem which is inflammation, or which we call in our industry inflammaging.
Exactly, yeah. That's right. That's true not just for breast health, but entire body health.
entire body health.
So thank you for helping me get started on our new rose, our pink rose campaign that we're doing, which is prevention is the best cure. I want a pink rose on every lapel of people because really that's what prevention is. It's a beautiful flower that is growing and developing, and it is multi-faceted, just as there are many pedals within a flower. It's not an easy task, but it's a beautiful outcome. And really, prevention is the best cure.
I like that comparison. That's so nice. I was just looking here at some information that says that there was study that showed that pre-menopausal women with fibrocystic breast disease have almost six-fold higher risk of future breast cancer.
didn't know that.
Yeah. And it was in a British medical journal, The Lancet that came out in 1999. Anyway, that's just a little information there.
And then there was this study done on, interestingly enough -- and I don't know as far as validation behind it, other than the fact that we're talking about feeding of the breast tissue -- there's a possible correlation between elevated breast temperature and a higher risk of breast cancer.
that makes sense to me, talking about the inflammation thing again, because inflammation usually has the heat that goes along with it. And anyone who's ever sprained their ankle or had an infected toenail, knows that story of inflammation that it's heat.
So I'm thinking that that study isn't necessarily saying people that live in more tropical zones and the temperature is 85 every day might have more of a risk. But rather that whole inflammation process, which is the heat of the tissues in that way.
Right. Exactly. I just felt that would be a little interesting here.
great. Good information.
And it's a wonderful lead-in to the protocol that I present to our clients about my ideas about breast health. And the reality that fibrocystic breast disease puts a person at a six-fold risk for breast cancer is really important information, because we see fibrocystic breast disease so commonly here.
For people that are wondering what that is, a woman they noticed kind of a lumpy, bumpy texture to her breast tissue, like little BBs even, tiny cysts. That is the way of the breast telling us that it's unhappy and it's inflamed, and it's lacking something nutritionally or hormonally or maybe there's another process going on that's contributing to that inflammatory process.
Many women don't really become aware of it, except maybe certain times of the month where they start noticing more breast tenderness and swelling, which can be from a higher estrogen effect happening in their body and not balanced well with progesterone. Or maybe they have deficiencies in iodine or diindolylmethane or other substances that we're going to talk about today.
Some women, they get the message straight and clear from their breasts that something is going on when they drink caffeine and then their breasts hurt. So in medicine we've long known that if a woman's having breast pain it's important that she eliminate caffeine from her diet.
That's good information. You bring up information about estrogen or estrone here.
and that's actually a pretty personal topic for me, because my dad's sister, Rita, died of breast cancer at the age of 56. So I know I have a risk factor for breast cancer in my family. I actually struggle with elevated levels of 16 alpha-hydroxyestrone.
What is that?
practiced saying that.
there's good estrogens and bad estrogens, and it's the ratio and balance of those kind of estrogens in our body that contribute to greater risk or lower risk regarding estrogenic cancers, like breast cancer or even prostate cancer. So for us women, when we think about estrogenic cancers, we think about breast cancer and uterine cancer. And for men those estrogenic cancers are prostate cancer and breast cancer. So for all those men out there, it breast awareness month.
Not just for women.
So we know you're aware of their breasts, too, but be aware of your own breasts as well.
You mentioned bad estrogen. So what exactly does that mean and how do you ingest that? Where do you get bad estrogen from?
wow. That's a big struggle in our environment because we are surrounded by bad estrogen. Oh my, I see you've got a plastic water bottle. Joel would not like that.
Joel would not like that. And that's going to change.
is campaigning the Ban the Bottle movement. So plastics that are easily flimsy and bendable, they're more likely to leach their substances into the liquid or whatever content's surrounding them as become more heated.
The interesting connection between our breasts and Mother Earth right now is the earth is suffering from a plastic overload. I was watching on CNBC the other night, huge areas of plastic that have accumulated in four major areas in the ocean in the world, and that now there are beaches named Plastic Beach because it's just covered with tiny pieces of plastic.
I was just bringing them to work all the time. But no, I've been hearing about this for a long time and I just have to just stop. But I just thought of something. When we were in London, we had gotten these bottles. There was beautiful, darling little pink plastic tops on them and they had the little pink ribbon. So when you purchased this bottle a certain percentage of the profits go towards cure for breast cancer. Interestingly enough, we're talking about plastics that are bad estrogens that we ingest. And it's kind of like this negative cycle that never ends. And so awareness of all these things for the sake of prevention is really important to understand. I understand wanting to put money towards those, but the choice of what you're using is kind of a -- it doesn't make any sense.
it doesn't. The great irony of buy this plastic bottle and money will go toward treating the disease as opposed to here's some broccoli and the money from that will go towards prevention.
Exactly. And so you think about how much of the profit is going towards the cure versus how much of the profit they're using to then reinvest into their plastic bottles that go out into the world and people purchase, and the cycle continues. We were also talking about those lovely little bands.
The little pink bracelets.
The rubbery bracelets.
There was a movement in London already in September about the breast cure money collection movement -- breast cancer cure. And we were sitting in Hard Rock Cafe and getting the hard sell.
Yeah, at the Hard Rock Cafe.
dropped off some bracelets in hopes that we would donate some money. But yeah, those little pink plastic bracelet things. Do those leach plastics into us? And the women or the men that create them in factories, are they at higher risk for breast cancer because of the contact?
Right, because they're in contact with it for hours on end.
It's really just a work in progress. We're all a work in progress, but the more you know, the more you learn about these things. Those are information that you can look at that and you can say, you know what, I'm going to change the way I do that today. And every little bit that you know, and now that you know you can't say you didn't know.
And the same goes with me and anybody else out there. I'm working in that direction, but the more I learn, the more I tell myself, you know what, I need to make that change. That's a change I need to figure out a way to make it better, because it's really better for me, and it's also better for our environment and people that I love and care about.
out that people can actually look at their bodies and get some information about the likelihood that they might have some plastics and other toxins like that in their body.
I used to do cellulite consultation, and it turns out that cellulite is a result of toxins that the poor liver doesn't know what to do with. So the liver wraps it up in fats and then sticks it away on our butt, far away from our organs, to be less damaging.
And so I used to do consultations for free before doing the treatment for the cellulite with a method called mesotherapy where we'd inject substances into the fat to get the fat to help release its fat tissue, and help the person slim down.
So how does that happen? So it releases it by what, liquefying it so it can pass through the system?
changes the signaling on the fat cell to make it more ready to give up that fat from the adiposed cell.
So men, for example, often it's easier for them to lose fat because their fat cells are already primed by signals to give it up more easily. And it's through something on the fat cell called the beta-receptor. So testosterone ignites this receptor's activity very easily, and, of course, estrogen does not.
Well, I had a client and I told her to stop eating plastic. And she called me a week later after the consultation and she told me this story how she was thinking about that. She said, well you know how you told me to stop eating plastic? Well, it turned out my husband had been boiling the baby's plastic bottles to "sterilize" them. And thinking that he was helping the environment he would then pour off the water and make tea for her - oh my gosh - from that.
And so he had no idea that he was giving his wife cellulite, as well as other problems. She didn't realize what he had been doing either. So you're right, now we have no excuses - we are aware.
things I advocate for breast health are the iodine and the diindolylmethane. Iodine is this mineral with astounding kelp and many seafoods, of course. That's why it's thought that the Japanese have a much lower rate of breast cancer than we do because of that. And then the diindolylmethane, as well as other substances, like indol-3-carbinal and the sulforaphane come from cruciferous vegetables like broccoli.
And you've seen my picture of that woman eating broccoli on my metabolic medicine board. So to me that is a beautiful, sensual picture, because I know she's just thinking about her breast health as she munches into her broccoli. I love it. But our clients that have had breast tenderness or breast pain issues, I've seen them get the greatest results with really supplementing with those substances the greatest.
OK, that was the diindolylmethane?
Is that the DIM?
They call it DIM I think, yeah.
The iodine, and we carry it here as the iodoral, which is made by Optimox.
Now are either of these things taken in supplement form, or is it just in like the natural form like broccoli?
Or in seaweed or kelp or whatever?
If you take it in supplemental form, can you -- I know you have to just read the instructions and go by that. Do you say yes, just go by the instructions? Can you have too much of it? Is more better? How does that--
a great question. With our clients, I find that our clients that have fibrocystic breast disease, or hypothyroidism often already are low in iodine. And I used to test before I'd start, but everybody was low. And I thought, well, you know, I'm going to save on money and save on the time. Because what's involved for testing is a 24-hour urine iodine challenge test.
So now I do that after having the client on the iodine for three months at least. Then what we do is we have them take four of the iodoral, which will give them the 50 milligrams of a combination of potassium iodide and potassium iodine. And then the next 24-hours, any time she needs to pee, she pees in the jug, and then she will write down the measurements of how much she urinated in that 24-hours, and sends a portion of that off to the laboratory.
If she urinates out at least 95% of what she consumed in that iodine challenge, then that's good. She probably has enough iodine in her body. But if she pees out less than that, then it's very suspicious for deficiency, and that her body responded to that iodine by holding on to it and saying oh thank you, thank you, we wanted this, we needed this.
All right. Well, that makes sense. Some other things for breast health? You mentioned the vitamin supplements.
So B vitamins actually help give a little thing called a methyl group, which is a special gift to estrogens. And when it gives this gift to bad estrogens it helps convert them into good estrogens. So it's a very interesting process. So I call them the little gift givers.
That's the B vitamins?
B6, B12 and folate.
The gift givers, I love that.
there's something interesting that happens with some other substances, too, like magnesium. Even though this mineral doesn't carry a methyl group it has a methylating action to it. So I don't know if he stands on the sidelines and he says, hey, you gift givers, start giving your gifts, or something like that. I love the way I anthropomorphize biochemistry.
You do a visual, that's good.
then trimethylglycine also has that effect as well, and that's also known as TMG. So that's an important process. One of the ways that people can assess how their methylation is in their body is through a blood test, which tests homocysteine which is elevated when there's not enough gift giving going on.
Then also through a sex hormone metabolite urine test -- we use Genova as our laboratory for that -- where it looks at the good and the bad estrogens and estrones - estrodial, estriol, metabolize the progesterone, looks at the anabolic/catabolic index, which we are grateful to Mr. Stephen Cherniske for having come up with that years ago. And now Laboratories of Genova use that in their panels. And that tells us also if the person is in a state of more repair or more damage.
Good to know.
inflammation, like C-reactive protein.
Well that's what I was wondering about is where does that play a part in it? Sometimes they do testing on that. Does that have any play into anything?
does for sure. So inflammation, inflammaging, and as we were talking about with the thermography and higher heat in the breast, that that's a risk, and that heat probably coming from inflammation, as far as risk for breast disease or breast cancer. High-sensitivity C-reactive protein actually can vary through a woman's cycle, it's been found.
That makes sense to me, especially as there's balances and imbalances going on. And I suspect that those fluctuations might even be seen in women that feel greater issues of swelling or tenderness at different times of their cycle. So I need to see if that data's already been collected out there, but we do already know that there is fluctuation in her cycle.
We have a product here, RegeniFREE, which has turmeric in it, which is also known as yellow curry. That has great anti-neoplastic benefits to it, which means helps to fight cancer, as well as addressing the underlying problems that lead to inflammation. Because really inflammation is a symptom of other problems going on. So we want to address things like TNF-alpha, and IL-6, and all those funky-named biochemistry cytokines that we hear about.
I like what you've pulled up about the diabetes. Did you know that there's actually a correlation between risk for cancer and risk for diabetes?
That doesn't surprise me, but I don't know the details on how that all works, but it doesn't surprise me.
is a big part of that, and sugar.
Sugar! That lovely sugar.
so one of the tests that we have here that looks for increased risk for both diabetes and cancer is our metabolic testing, which is exciting because it can pick up mitochondrial dysfunction issues, as far as people's fitness levels, and aerobic fitness, and VO2max, maximum volume of oxygen consumption, and exercising. That really is a great stimulus/incentive for clients to improve those to help reduce their risk for both diabetes and cancer.
Fantastic. And we offer that here, as a side note.
so please call our clinic and schedule an appointment for metabolic testing - 360-570-8010.
And, of course, many insurances do cover that to some degree, others do not. And the retail price on that is $130.
Out-of-pocket, just so you know.
And one of the other things that improves breast health is melatonin.
know you like melatonin.
I do like melatonin.
you know it's used pretty readily as an adjunct for breast cancer therapy in Japan?
I believe I was reading something to that effect. Yeah, about, again, melatonin.
a girdle and bra lowers the levels of hormone melatonin?
Well there's some kind of--
while they're asleep?
I think that, again, has to do with the temperature, the core temperature effect. So it sounds to me that when your core temperature goes up, your melatonin levels may be reduced.
that's it, I'm taking my bra off right now.
But you know what, I'd have to say that kind of is interesting to me because I know that also when we sleep is when our melatonin levels are supposed to be high. But when we're sleeping, that's when we go into our thermogenic mode, which is high heat. So that seems like a contradiction in some ways. So I would have to do more research on that.
All right, I'll put my bra back on.
OK. Whatever feels good. But melatonin, there's so much data on that. And I really wonder how much of it is out there available to the public. I guess I'll just get on to a search engine and start looking, if you really want to know.
one of our favorite search engines? ClubMed.
who else do you like? Google Scholar?
That sounds like a good one. I don't know. I just kind of Google the information and then I start going down the list of different things. But I know that you being a doctor, we definitely want to go to sources that you know that offer search engines.
sounds like you're usually taking the path of Google Scholar then.
I go to Google a lot. It's not perfect, but--
A wonderful tool. Then I was just looking at information about the melatonin.
Christine Horner's Natural Secrets for Breast Health.
Yeah, I was just looking at this online and pulled this information up.
a medical doctor. So that's good to know she's had that kind of training. And what did she find?
She found that -- this is information that she picked up from the Journal of the National Cancer Institute. In 2001, found that "nurses that worked the night shift had a 50% increase risk of breast cancer." That "the longer they worked the night shift, the higher their risk for breast cancer" was.
And it says here that the reason is simple, it has to do with "the daily rhythms of the sun and the hormone melatonin. Melatonin is extremely powerful at protecting against and fighting breast cancer - but only if you go to bed early and it's dark." If you leave the light on-- the darker the room the better. Sleep is very important, and the darker the room that you're sleeping in the better.
really important, because I think that we have too much light in our life, especially artificial light. You know, it screws up our melatonin secretion pattern.
That's true. That's very true. I'd be interested to find out if there's a higher incidence of people in Alaska where they have sunlight like 23 hours a day during the summer months, and if there's a higher incidence. I never Googled that. I'm going to Google that after the show. That makes me curious. So just have a little sip of [INAUDIBLE].
It also says that melatonin has the tumor fighting power of vitamin D. I love vitamin D, and we know we need it here in the Pacific Northwest. It increases D's ability to stop tumor growth. And melatonin makes the vitamins D's tumor fighting abilities 21 to 100 times stronger. Is that incredible.
great. I'm so glad I took my melatonin last night.
I did take my vitamin D yesterday, too.
advocate that people get their vitamin D serum levels, 26-hydroxy vitamin D levels up to at least 88 nanomoles per deciliter, I believe the measurement is. The laboratory that we have locally gives a really broad range saying that normal is 30 to 150, but really we want people 80 to 100.
I was really impressed when Dr. Lynn Clark, she's a breast surgeon out at Tacoma, had put on one of the consultation report a recommendation for a level of at least 60 to prevent breast cancer. I was wonderfully delighted that even our surgeons are thinking in a metabolically-oriented pattern, and really wanting prevention of disease for our clients.
Yay, Lynn, if you're out there listening. These are great articles. Do you have some other ones that you've pulled up, Tina?
Well this one's here pretty much-- And it says here, if you already have breast cancer, if you're one of those people that has it right now, like well, what can I do to help myself now? So if you have -- this is just reading off of this Dr. Christine Horner's Natural Secrets for Breast Health, she says that if you have breast cancer and you're being treated with chemotherapy, you may want to ask your doctor about taking supplemental melatonin.
Researchers have found that it enhances the effectiveness of your chemotherapy by increasing chemotherapy's ability to kill tumors. And in a 1999 study in Italy, researchers found that breast cancer patients treated with chemotherapy lived longer if they were also given supplemental melatonin.
I wonder if Dr. Walter Pierpaoli was part of that at all?
is Italian and he is the melatonin god.
Yes. Well, he really brought it to the forefront, wrote a book about it and had done just extensive research on that. And before you know it, you saw melatonin on every shelf in every store, and every pharmacy, and every five and nine store. Pretty soon it was the big boom. I don't think that there was really an understanding from people to the wide range of what melatonin had to offer, other than so many people talked about how it can really help with sleep and mood. And it says it goes much further than that.
even seen it affect our client's blood sugar control in that it can improve. But if the dose is too much too soon, some of our clients have noticed that it actually could disrupt their sugar control in a way that they did not like. So I'm very interested in the potency of that wonderful sleep molecule.
Exactly. And just a side note, to be sure that if people are interested in taking melatonin, again, and I think most of the instructions when you read on the back of the bottle, it should say that it is to be taken at night, because it has to do with your circadium rhythm. And it's naturally higher at night when the sun goes down and it gets dark out and get into that sleep mode, the resting mode, your body is able to discreet. And of course, the darker the better - it does make a difference.
You want to take it at night, because that is your body's natural time that it is supposed to be at that high - is at night. You don't want that during the day. It disrupts your circadium rhythm, which is your body's rhythm.
I need to also ask our clients how they're timing their dosing when they're telling me that it's disrupting their sugar levels, because maybe they're not supplementing it at the correct time.
have ten minutes left and I don't think we're going to be able to get everything on my protocol, but I do want to encourage our clients to - excuse me, our guests. Definitely our clients and our listeners to look at the full protocol that I've posted on the Blog Talk site today.
We carry many supplements here that help to support breast health. We've talked about the iodoral, the diindolylmethane. We have a diindolylmethane also combined with DHEA and the Prime.
We have Rhythmatics, which even though it's considered for cardiovascular health, one of my favorite breast formulations, breast health formulations, because it has the resveratrol in it, and the B6, B12, folate, it is essential fatty acids, the EPA and DHA, eicosapentaenoic acid and docosahexaenoic acid from fish oil.
And then UniBEX, which is good for vascular health. But this product with its CoQ10 in it as well is just a fabulous breast health supplement. Level G, which not only helps with blood sugar control and carbohydrate craving, substances in it have been shown to help increase adiponectin, which is a good hormone, which high levels of adiponectin correlate with lower levels of breast cancer rate in studies. So all very important substances.
Yeah, we're fortunate to have these products, I think.
Really high quality, number one, and they put them in a combination of different ingredients that really seem to work synergenically.
And I love that.
that we get to see responses that are far superior to what people see when they just take them separately by themselves.
I agree. Yes. The science going behind that is incredible. Again, we're specifically talking about of a couple of different lines that we do carry here.
we carry not only Univera products, but we also carry high-quality products from Metabolic Maintenance and also Protocol. Of course, the iodoral from Optimox. We're really happy to offer these to our clients to make them easily accessible.
Some other things I wanted to tell people about that we offer here to figure out how they can test their bodies. Looking at inflammation, not just the high sensitivity to the reactive protein, but the pre-D test that we offer through Biophysical Laboratory, looks at multiple markers of inflammation. And there's the great crossover there too, again, of how diabetes and cancer risks are very much the same.
I don't want to forget to talk about oxytocin. We have clients that suffer with being able to bond to members in their family, and I wonder if they suffer from oxytocin deficiency. Oxytocin is a wonderful neuropeptide just like melatonin is. This is important for bonding. But it turns out that it also decreases risk for breast cancer.
this wonderful bonding hormone is really during breast feeding, and it's also released during orgasm. So I advocate lots of breast orgasms. Things that we can do to help support our oxytocin production include things that contain cysteine, which is an amino acid.
I love that you pulled up some information about oxytocin. This is a great adjunct. I also want to talk about that Dr. Thierry Hertoghe has his new book out about oxytocin now too. But yeah, you have ingestion of food triggers that release activation of vagal afferent nerves. So a good meal releases oxytocin, which is probably why I like to cuddle after a good meal.
There you go. I know, yeah.
mom says I've always been that way, even as a little kid, yeah. After I ate dinner I was ready to cuddle.
Awesome. This is good cookin', ma.
you go. Most likely oxytocin can be released by stimulation of other senses, olfaction, as well as certain types of sound in life. And something that Dr. Hertoghe talked about was singing releasing oxytocin. Do you remember that discussion.
that's wonderful. So I'm singing more in the car now, with the radio, not just my own voice.
Either way is fine.
want to have good breast health, as well as health in many other levels.
then the psychological mechanisms. I think people need to remember to love themselves too, and touch themselves. My mom used to teach me that if I was feeling like I wanted to do any emotional eating, instead to go do something that cared for myself. Whether it was painting my nails or massaging my hands or massaging my feet or something like that.
What a forethought on how to really take care of yourself. What a wonderful mom.
She's a good lady. The oxytocin, the cuddle hormone. Of course, my other favorite cuddle hormone is progesterone, and that also plays an important role for breast health. Did you know that breast surgeons, when they do remove breast cancer on pre-menopausal women, they will choose the time of her cycle where her progesterone levels are the highest to help prevent spread of your cancer?
I did not know that. Is that a protocol?
it should be, huh? I don't know. That's a great question and I need to look at that further and see if there are formal surgical guidelines and recommendations out there for that.
Very interesting. I had no idea. Wow, well thank you, Dr. Kather. All this plethora of information is wonderful.
all of this, too. I'd love to get copies of all this data that you've looked up. I appreciate that.
have a couple of minutes remaining on our show. We have been talking about breast health today, and the reason for that is this is October, breast health awareness month. My goal is that everyone will reach for a pink rose lapel pin and wear that with pride, and let other people know that really prevention is the best cure. There's so much that we can we doing to take better care of ourselves, and we don't need to wait until we have disease until we do something about it.
And we didn't talk a whole lot about, other than the inflammation and certain things about insulin and that. But really the sugar -- gosh, sugar. We're down to the wire, but I just want to mention sugars are just -- another very famous person mentioned that sugar really is, it's like poison to your system.
is. I heard a commercial the other day that said desert never hurt anybody. And I thought, what?
It's finding those other things that are really -- you can compensate in other ways to get the sweetness that you need without the detrimental affects of sugar.
The show is still on. I'm going to let you finish off, Dr. Kather, and thank you for having me on your show.
you, Tina. It's been such a delight, and not just in this talk today, but in working with you, and I really appreciate all you do.
So please join us for our next show next week. My hope is that we will have guest Stephen Cherniske to talk about the Metabolic Makeover. And I'm so excited for Tanya, who has just had amazing, amazing results with that.
I agree. We'll have to talk to her about that. We can be encouraged by her for sure.
thank you to everyone who's tuned in, and blessings on your weekend and your day, and may you have the best breast health.
Bye for now.
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