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Our first guest is Marc Kern PhD who has been providing non 12 step addiction treatment alternatives in Los Angeles California since 1983. Dr. Kern is a co-author of the book "Responsible Drinking" and helps clients to achieve goals of abstinence, moderation, or harm reduction.
Our second guest is Renee Franklin, Certified Moderator and Board Treasurer for Women For Sobriety (WFS). WFS was founded by Jean Kirkpatrick PhD in 1975 to help women alcoholics abstain from alcohol. The WFS program is highly positive and features 13 affirmations.
Stanton Peele joins us to close the show for the evening.
It's good to talk.