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Good evening ladies and gentleman. I'd like to welcome everyone to The Emanuel Steward Show. Great to be with everyone again. It's great to be out at blogtalkradio. I hope you guys will really enjoy the show. I think you will. Thanks for stopping by and listening up on this gorgeous fall day, September 20, 2011. I am your moderator, Bar Baker, and I will be your referee on our journey through everything that is happening lately in the world of boxing and there is so much that is going on right now. I know if you're a boxing enthusiast, you have just been -- you had your head just explode with so much that's been happening right now. The Mayweather-Ortiz and Alvarez-Gomez fight. The Mayweather-Larry Merchant fight, the team is like it will be coming up pretty soon, which I think is kind of funny. And we will talk about Andy Lee, Tony Harrison. So much we have to talk about. But before I get into that, if you do have any question, please go ahead and send them to Emanuel Steward at Facebook and Emanuel Steward at Twitter. So, please be sure to send them there. Either we'll get to them this week or we will get to them maybe some time next week. So please be sure to check that out. And also, what else is going on here? So we have so much to do. I'm looking at all my stuff and I'm like we have a rundown of just everything. So, first, of course, we have the _01:32_ Emanuel Steward will be dropping some knowledge on us with anything and everything that is boxing. And emanuelstewardonline.com, go there and the kronkgymfoundation.com. Whew, that is a lot of stuff. So, let me go ahead and skip everything else and get to the man of the half hour, the legendary international manager and trainer and HBO's finest commentator Coach Emanuel Steward. Coach, are you out there?
Yes, I am, Barbara. I'm all excited about the show. Lots of things have been happening as you see it in the last week or so in boxing.
There is -- I can't even believe what -- I mean this weekend has just been crazy. I know I was listening to a radio show on The Ticket which is like a sports station and it was between the Mayweather fight and that the lions won, this game begins a cheat. And basically, the Mayweather fight seemed to be better, and we're in Detroit. So, that's a huge, huge thing. So without further ado, let's jump in to the Mayweather-Ortiz fight. I'm going to start asking a few questions, parental question, and please feel free to go at __2:38__ and answer the question in full. The first one which is what everybody wants to know, in your opinion, even though you know Mayweather did what was within the rules, do you agree with his actions? Why or why not?
Well, I'm glad I get an opportunity to speak fully related to the incident because a few times I have been asked to speak including 3:01 my own job on a field. You see, it's always "Emanuel, cut it short, cut it short." In some situation, it's very difficult to fully explain in a brief statement. To begin with, we'll get more publicity off for this fight than any fight that I can remember in a long time. The fight has been close a week old and it's still on news stations and some of the conversations, not just in sports, I mean everywhere. I just talked about Larry Merchant yesterday and Larry called up and said he needs to come to Detroit to start training. We'd give him a Kronk jersey because that is _03:36_. But my take on the fight is this. The fight was just starting to get heated up I mean. Floyd _03:45_ fight, mainly with short right hand leads and didn't realize he was loosing so Ortiz has kind of stepped it up and started to grab Floyd and was _3:54_ get a bunch of punches. Not necessary landed but it makes it a little more uncomfortable than he had to be in the previous rounds. And Floyd in his defensive mode which he goes into which he is very good. I don't _4:05_ has a great defense, he does a lot of movement. He just barely puts his body in a position where it's almost impossibly, just leaning back, often over the ropes. And in frustration, Ortiz is trying to punch and he was unable to land punches because Floyd had been backing, his elbows in a position he puts away is almost impossible to hit him, and he just like this try to jump up anybody and then when he realized what he did, which was a real flagrant, but the referee immediately took a point and he apologized. He's still a young kid, very emotion, almost like profusely apologizing. And if I remember correctly, I think the referee than called a timeout or whatever, told him to box.
And at the same time, Floyd went towards him in the matter in his mellow gesture with a "Hey, okay. I understand man. You know, we were friends," and then he hits him __05:02__ Floyd must feel anger though, anger because not only _5:05_ but I understand his mouth was bleeding. So, Floyd hit him with a left hook, one punch, it wasn't a combination and then he realized that the referee is not even looking.
And always that will start...[Crosstalk]
Then he said boom, I can hit him again. So, Floyd hit him with two good clean shots. The second was really a lot of power. He goes down. In the meantime, seems like Joe Cortez was looking over to the timer trying to see whether the round was __05:33__ whatever. I don't know. He was totally distracted and so Floyd legally took advantage of the situation. He's an extremely smart kid, always aware of every situation that's going on around him. I mean _05:48_ when he had to immediately broke out in the _05:51_ fight _05:52_ about his fight in the ring but _05:54_ just went across the ring and said _05:56_ and then _05:59_ in all of the fight. He's very, very smart and the fact _6:02_ thinks very good. He saw the opportunity to land another punch. So whether like he hit him with a combination on two separate individual punches because he realized he could do this and get away and he was still a man. And the referee just, I don't know, it's hard to turn your head away from a fight, especially in those situation, but he was looking out of the ring somewhere. And then after the fight, I'm watching Ortiz when his head had cleared up, he seems a bit very happy with everything and he's all again smiling and then _06:31_ tells me "Emanuel, what is your comment?" And I would say, I said, "Man, I don't even know what kind of comment to make, especially on a spur of the moment like this. So, it was difficult because I understand the actions of Ortiz, I understood the actions of the referee, I understood the action of Floyd. It was __06:51__ with anger because he'd been butted and he must get even. And the referee, distracted _6:58_ in the fight. Ortiz I guess is ___. He would just said, well I'm just great I was here. I got to fight a great nemesis. Body language to me is I am standing there at the ringside and I made $2.5 million and so and so and so and so. And that was just so why should I give up and Scream and Halloween going crazy. And that's because he went to fight with him.
Okay. So, he...
And then Larry Merchant gets up and when Larry got up, I told Larry before the fight, I said, "If you have to go __07:26__ Floyd, be prepared for anything because you two guys are really explosive situation every time you get together. And that -- Larry I guess was kind of prepared for that. So, when Floyd sort of _7:40_ should be fine. _07:41_ and all of that. I mean I guess Larry was prepared for this. Larry gave a great __07:47__ made him _7:48_ he has ever been in his life now that if I was, what do you say, 50 years younger.
Yeah. 50 years younger.
Like I said, I __07:57__ and from that, everybody was, you know. We have _8:03_to take it in the beginning but now, it's become a very famous quote and right at the same time I was looking at my __08:11__ coming in. I picked Larry _812_ [crosstalk]. They had him picked out but I thought Larry _08:15_ is good. He could have been very embarrassed. I could have retaliated in a different way but he was prepared to deal with it good. And I understand Floyd, too, because he's always in this situation. "Nobody loves me." He cannot stand any criticism at all. Everything and everyone around him has got nothing but praise him continually 24/7, but that's just the make up of him and some people who are extremely successful in life, they have to have those types of attitudes in their personality and egos. So, it's just a situation that was kind of good and bad, and a lot of people don't think he was good but the fact that boxing in that particular situation is all over the news and that's got more focus of it, not so much the fight but just the things that took place at the weird bizarre last two or three minutes of the fight and so I don't know. It's a situation that's all _910_ to say was someone was a dirty fighter because I think _09:16_ Floyd which really upset about being _09:18_ and that legally so it's the chance to get even and he did it. So, what can you say? But...
And why do people didn't like Mayweather to begin with?
Beg your pardon?
A lot of people did not like Mayweather to begin with.
_9:29_ was a cause of his angers and everything and even that did not help at all. But you know, he has never been want __09:34__ people like _09:36_ a immediate people around him as along as they 9:39 love him and kiss him and praise him, that's very important to him. And also because _9:45_ that's there's been a lot of bad publishing, about a lot of good stuff and a lot of people say well, he had a right to do it and other people say no, it was horrible, but whatever the odds, they say __09:55__ the news is not all __09:58__ regardless.
Well, I think at this point, I may be more excited to see Mayweather-Merchant in 2012 than Mayweather-Pacquiao. But that's just me. Because that really hype me up when he said that to Larry Merchant, but you were talking about Ortiz and how he was smiling at the end, because I didn't understand why he was so jovial at the end of the fight anyway. I'm thinking you just lost, but you just said he got $2.5 million, but for the fans -- okay there is a lot of negative reaction because we paid for the fight. We paid Pay Per View. We were sitting on the stand. We draw up 59 bucks to watch it. How -- will this hurt boxing because a lot of people were talking about they wanted their money back. What do you think about the fans?
You know, it's gonna be very interesting and strange, but _10:40_ just as I'm talking, I'm just looking, I just gonna call this company from the libraries right now _10:45_. I'm looking ahead of this out. I'll speak to you about it again after and show you. You know, a lot of people were upset about the money that they pay and _10:57_ they were cheated out of what was ___ to be a good fight. We just thought it get heated up, including me, I was _11:04_ and then it's started to get a little excited and Floyd has been high class but now, Ortiz realized he's a loser this way, so he's stepping his game up. And just at that time, all of these came up. But - I don't know. It's going bring a lot of attention to boxing and some people as a result will not maybe watch anymore fights and some people wanna be watching it more, in fact, just this week coming up I guess, when there is gonna be a free. So many people will probably watch that. I bet getting one of the highest rated ever, but people _11:32_ be able to see actually what happened during the fight. So overall, I think boxing was a _11:37_ I think at the end, most of the people will be watching fights again, particularly if there are fights like the Miguel Cotto and the Antonio Margarito rematch which is two guys who've always been in action fights regardless. So you get probably a big Pay Per View for that. And also the fight, if it takes place, between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather. I think regardless of what has happened, if both fighters can continue to win, make sure it will be an unbelievable fight and the thing that has been holding it up is you know, Floyd's insistence on all of these drug tests and he truly does believe -- whether he is just scared of Pacquiao, but he really truly believes -- and this is dealing with him and people involved with him, that he really does believe that Manny is just strong and so good only because of that which I disagree.
I think that -- and he points out to the fact that Manny is one of two Ali's weight divisions and he started off at 112, but Manny Pacquiao turned professional when he was 16 years old and Floyd Mayweather, the same age, was not the exact same size at 16, and Manny is still even though he has fought at least at 154-pound __12:57__ Floyd, he has never been that real weight. His real weight at this time is about 138 to 140 pounds or so. I mean, before he fights these fights, he has to eat five meals a day and eat dinner before he goes to weigh in at the scales as he only can get on one about 142 or 144 and that's why these guys have __13:17__ stipulations that they all must come in at 150 __13:22__ because he still actually is not as big as Floyd, as Floyd is a truly __13:27__ 147 pounder, and Manny is smaller than he is in actuality, but Floyd believes it and I'm quite sure when each one of the fighters are looking to make at least 60 million a piece. The tickets are getting sold out some kind of way that they can resolve these tested methods.
But don't they test anyway? Hasn't Pacquiao been tested in the past? You know...
Manny Pacquiao has never, never came up in any situation to my knowledge where he has appeared to be guilty of some type of drugs and he has always been clean. But --
But they don't have any faith for him?
But they don't test for steroids in boxing. But, nevertheless, I know how he trains and I look at his match. He is still a small guy. When I'm interviewing __14:13__, I was really amazed how small he is __14:15__ when you see him in real person. He is not a big guy by the means. Floyd is much bigger than he is.
Well, okay. So the Pacquiao before that Mayweather was saying at the end of the fight that he would give Ortiz a match so -- a rematch. So, he doesn't make a business sent to him to do it. Well, he is just speaking on emotion. He has absolutely no intension of doing it. Will it be free for us fans who paid 59 bucks? I mean, what do you think about that, his rematch?
Well, I can see him possibly wanting to have a rematch maybe to clear up -- they had __13:51__ that was the result of the fight and the fact he may believe he can beat him. I don't know if the fans would buy it necessarily or they would demand it. I think that fight was going to be a pretty good fight, even though I had Floyd winning, but I think it was just going to another level. But I don't know. The fight -- who Mayweather wants to see him fight is Manny Pacquiao, and if Manny can win this fight on November the 12th, I guess the roughest guy that he had to deal with in his career was Juan Manuel Marquez who, the first fight, Marquez was knocked down by Manny three times in the first round and lost a lot of points to the point system and came back and beat Manny for the most __15:29__ in the next 11 rounds and beat him so bad that they ended up calling it a draw. In the second fight, the fight was a close fight and Manny scored a knockdown again in a flash exchange, boom. So, when the fight was over, Manny wins by one point, which was at knockdown. So, when you look at the two fights between the two, they had 24 rounds. Juan Marquez has won, way more rounds than Manny, but based on a total of four knockdowns in those fights, he won just only -- the point system, he got back double or triple points. So, Juan Marquez feels -- and he has always said "I have beaten him both times." So, there will be a lot of emotions in this fight. I think it is a tough fight for Manny because this is the only guy that he has had a lot of problems with. But I think that since they felt Manny has actually physically grown a lot when I'm interviewing Marquez, actually a little small guy, little small bones, and I see in Manny a small guy, but much more masculine thickness, neck and everything, so I think Manny is probably a natural 140-pounder -- 139-pounder now.
Juan Marquez is still in about 132 pounds. Before his last fight, when he defended his title, __16:51__ 135 _____ so we were interviewing him the day before the fight that he was down to about 132 pounds about a week before the fight. He had to start eating and try to get his total weight up to 135 pounds. So I think a natural growth in __17:05__ in the recent years between the two, Manny __17:09__ a physical advantage I think in going into the fight. But it is still going to be a very tough fight, and if Manny can win that, I think he and Mayweather should go ahead and fight. And after that, they'll say we're not gonna fight. The problem with this whole situation of making the fight is one, Mayweather actually does believe that Manny is just taking some type of drugs that make him physically stronger so he does --
But he has no basis for it. What basis?
But he believes it so that's regardless of whether it still is a true fact. And the next thing, both of these guys are making so much money without fighting each other. I mean Manny is fighting, but I'd like to say Mosley who had just been totally destroyed by Mayweather in terms of a quality fight and then Manny __17:54__ come behind him and fight him, and making nearly $15 and $20 million. And we got Floyd just fighting the other night, he made __18:02__ about $25 or $30 million. So these guys can fight and make $15 to $20 and $30 million, __18:10__ without fighting each other and that's it. It was like -- the fans would say, "Unless you guys are fighting each other, we're not gonna buy any more fights." They're still spending millions and millions whoever they fight so they say, "Well, this is pretty good. I can make the __18:23__ 60 or 70 million anyway they __18:27__ to fight, but I don't have to take a chance of losing," and that's rational I think. And Bob Arum, who is the promoter of Manny Pacquiao, could care less because he is making a lot of money with Manny fighting anybody.
So, it totally seems to me what you're saying is not really about the fans, it is more about them making money.
Yes. What it seems to me is it's not like when time __18:50__ Ray Leonard fought, even though we were all very close, I realized that the fans wanted that fight to take place so I had him meet with Ray Leonard's manager and I'm Tommy Hearns' manager, we met at the airport in Syracuse, and inside of 15 minutes, we made to deal at a coffee shop and I took the same plane that I had flown in back to Detroit because there was no egos involved and that __19:17__, we knew that the public wants the fight and that's when we're saying, "Hey, let's make the fight. The public wants it. It's not necessarily what we want, but the public wants the fight, even though we are all fans," and that was it because the public spends millions and millions to make these guys where they are so we __19:34__ obligation that we have, to give the fans what they want. But this seems to be the case now is what's the best for the promoter, what's best for this, and I can make more money doing it this way and whatever. And that seems to be __19:49__ that determines whether fights are being made that the public wants to see.
Well, that is --
One promoter said, "I'm making so much money __19:55__ take the risk out of losing because we see them making these mega millions to hit with the public."
One thing is that they just fight each other, they get over with and Pacquiao can go back to politics and his music career wherever he is -- I know he's making an album and Mayweather can go to his rap career. They can just go ahead and retire and go to do their second life. They just go and fight each other, but that's just what I'm telling. I'm a bitter fan right now so you can't listen to me. But because we don't have that much time left, I wanna cover a couple of different things. I'll hit the Alvarez and Gomez fight and ask a few questions about that and you can go and talk about that. With the high level of professional action, so early in Canelo's career, I mean this early in his career, will it end up helping him or hurting him at the end of the day.
I don't think it will happen. He is a good fighter. His fighting __20:48__ which I like, and I as many fans maybe jump ahead and given him so many accolades and praised him so much. The fight with Gomez, which Gomez is just as ordinary and basic as you can be, again Miguel Cotto knocked out so easy, and that was like three years ago, so he hasn't improved any and he still has given Canelo Alvarez a problem, something like that. And then actually on the score card, I think he maybe had won even more rounds, believe it or not. But I think that when you give so much so soon, it can mess up things a lot in terms of the way you mend things. You look at Manny Pacquiao's great excitement in the fight to make million dollars, but he has had a long solid career, about 50 fights. Since he has been here in the Morocco and I had __21:39__ been about almost six, seven or eight years and he has fought nothing but the best contender, I mean, there's Morales, Barrera, you go on and on and even today, _21:51_ whatever, he has been fighting nothing but the tough fighters has only lost one fight and then he knocked that fight out twice. So he really worked hard to get to be where he is and Mayweather feels that he has a long successful career. He was one of the few fighters who had a brilliant amateur career __22:07__ about maybe three, one __22:10__ originally, but he still fought in Olympics and was a quarter finalist, one of the first Americans in about - I don't know, maybe about 10 or 12 years to __22:24__ the Olympics. So he had a solid background and these fighters are coming just overnight and we're so hungry for new young superstars. We're just trying to create them and they don't even have to develop but he has to fight some more quality guys I think in his division. There are some guys I believe in the same division where Miguel Cotto is in. He is in the same division also where __22:43__ sometimes some of those guys are certified like this guy Gomez who just was on the contender show as his biggest climb to fame and he had been faded through __22:57__ made his last fight and that's about it, but he needs to fight some bigger names.
So, it has nothing to do with moving up in weight, nothing like that? There is __23:07__ fighter than his [crosstalk] that he can fight.
[Crosstalk]. But he is at 154, which is one of the hardest divisions in boxing today. At 160, you got Sergio Martinez and Andy Lee, my boxer, who had only really __23:19__ 160-pound division is so bad that Sergio Martinez, he is out digging for fights and he is willing to try to go down to 150 pounds to fight with somebody so nothing much easy in the hard division. He just needs to fight some of those names.
Okay. Well, you were talking about Andy Lee. So, I'm gonna cover a little bit about Andy Lee. He's one of your guys. He is an exciting Kronk Gym star. He has a huge match coming up. Actually, the match is coming up on October 1st. He is going against Brian Vera and it will be another HBO After Dark special and be at LAX City just in case anybody wants to go out and check it out and he has put together a nice little come back run after losing his last fight. With this fight with Brian, how did he size up against his opponent? What does his chances look like? What do you think about this fight?
Well, it's a fight that we didn't have to take because the promoter that were working with __24:11_ Andy is remarkable and in just one or two, one fight _____, he will be fighting for the _____ and this is about wanting to fight in Brian Vera. He is the only guy that have lost to and I want to get that clear up first so this is why we're taking this fight and his tremendous interest in the fight. In fact, on the same show, we have Sergio Martinez defending his talent with __24:30__ or whatever, but no one knows I really care much about that fight. The tickets are being sold. We were told about the __24:38__ people, fans of Andy Lee from Ireland, from Detroit, Chicago, everywhere in New York, they all __24:47__ this is the fight because of a rematch of a fight where Andy was winning, had knocked Brian Vera down and he himself ran out of gas and was stopped himself. A very exciting fight that ended with Andy landing the blow when the referee stopped and pulled __25:05__ but it was a very exciting fight, good win Vera, and whoever wins this fight is gonna be allowed to fight Sergio Martinez next so it's a fight that will take in very serious and Andy is boxing very hard in preparation for this fight.
So what do you think about his -- let's say if he wants to get a bout with Paul "The Punisher" Williams. What would you think about that? How would these chances look with that?
We were allowed to have a fight with Paul Williams. Paul Williams I was told is not considering going back to trying to fight at 147 or 154 pounds, but it doesn't matter. Paul Williams still got it. He came out very big and very small, and once he got to the top level, his weaknesses became very prevalent understandable to anybody. He still has punches too far back. It was once called "The Next Tommy Hearns." A total big mistake. He is very tall, he is about 6'3", they call him 6'2", but he is really about 6'3", I have been with him, which is unusual to be 160 pounds, but he doesn't punch with any power, __26:09__ punches it with no power and starts punches too far back and he has a tendency of going to bend forward, he doesn't even utilize his height. So, he would be a good fighter we would welcome, but I would like for Andy to get a championship first and let those fights to be defence fights.
Okay. Now you are saying about the next Tommy Hearns or Paul Williams, he is not, but I had heard that Tony Harrison who is another guy that is working with you guys, one of your new fighters in the Kronk Gym, that he could be the next Tommy Hearns. I __26:39__ product, he is _____ in the amateur ranks or was _____ amateur rank and then term pro. Who is he? What's he up to? I will say before you talk a little bit about him that he does have a fight coming up on September 23rd and it's in Florida and it should be an awesome fight. So, tell us a little bit about this new guy.
Tony Harrison is maybe the best top Detroit grown prospect we've had made in about 20 years or 30 years really. His style and his physical built is very much like Tommy Hearns. He's titled 154 and __27:13__ and he is 6 feet tall and his style is a combination of Tommy Hearns and Floyd Weather Jr., I would say. Very accurate puncher. He turned professional in July and has had three fights in July alone. In fact, he worked as sparring partner with Miguel -- I mean with Wladimir Klitschko for his last fight with David Haye. Wladimir, he was 6'6". He was so impressed with the movement and the speed Tony had on him to try to fight on his card because Tony was still an amateur __27:44__ this guy is too good. He said, "I would like him to fight on my card." He fought on the card and was then trying to show up __27:50__ sensation with one punch knockout, and after that, he had two more fights just in July alone. So we expect a lot of big things on him and he will be with me when __28:02__ Miguel Cotto's first fight with Antonio Barrera coming up, work on a sparring with Miguel Cotto also.
Okay, and that brings us to -- I know Miguel Cotto...
And fight on Miguel Cotto show
Say it again.
And he will also be fighting on Miguel Cotto and Margarito show in New York on December 3rd.
Wow. Now, that's a big stuff and that's what we are supposed to talk about. I know that he started his press junket today. Did he start in New York? Is that where he started?
He really started __28:30__ in Puerto Rico.
Puerto Rico, okay.
And today was in New York and I'm supposed to be there actually, but I have to stay here, I'm training Andy Lee, __28:43__ is very important and I told Miguel that I will meet him __48:46__ training camp, but I have to stay here with Andy because it's too much __28:52__ on this October 1st fight. So, Andy Lee __28:55__
So, how about the rematch? What are you thoughts about the rematch with Cotto and Margarito?
I think it's going to be still a tough fight, even though Margarito lost to Pacquiao, but Pacquiao moves __29:12__ in and out of punches _____ and Miguel is not that dreadful, and since I've been training him, he has good __29:16__ jab, his balance is good, but still Margarito is big and tall to me and he's about 6 feet tall and Miguel is 5'7" and is probably stretching a little bit and just that physical size in him walking and pushing Miguel around __29:30__ a very hard fight much like the first fight, where Margarito stopped him, even though there's a lot of accusations about him having loaded gloves -- I mean having his hands wrapped __29:43__ with a plaster of Paris, but nevertheless he took all of the punches from Cotto and physically wore Cotto down so it seemed to be a very tough fight. Even though he lost to Pacquiao, we expect a very difficult fight.
Well coach, I would like to thank you for taking the time in sharing your thoughts with us this evening. I know you are everywhere, you're a busy guy and I thank you for taking the time with us today. Don't forget to go to all of the stuff online, to emanuelstewardonline.com, Emanuel Steward at Facebook and twitter. Thank you everyone for joining us this evening. I am Barb Baker for the Emanuel Steward. Everyone have a fabulous night and thank you so much for joining us.
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