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Joshua Jones Quote Debate with VH

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Art Bulla

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Errors of men, not intentional regarding dates. Joshua Jones, prior to 1877, the date of the inclusion of DC 85--prophecy of the One Mighty and Strong, when attesting to his minute in his journal at the time of the address by Brigham Young regarding leaders leading to "brink of hell" and the OMS, undoubtedly did not refer to DC 85, since it did not exist!  Then after 1877 when attesting, Joshua Jones would no doubt say, "as spoken of in DC 85" as part of his testimony.  This version (after 1877) is what John T. Clark heard in 1922, thus the quote we have.  So the dates are irrelevant as to the authenticity of the quote, if not totally accurate regarding "as stated in DC 85.  It seems Mr. Hale would get a clue from the many other sources speaking of wicked men arising in power in the Church "who would seek to put down your friends and the friends of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ"!  These are the lies, not the Joshua Jones quote, for Pete's sake!

Program Notes by Jimmy Hardy:

Errors of men not of God, nor, that truth is a lie. 
Van Hale's columns are made sand there is no mortar to them. Mr. Hales argument on Joshua Jones,  Nathaniel Baldwin, dates, ' This church will be led to the very brink of hell, by those men in high standing with their money worldly learning (para phrased).
Suspend your judgement, humble yourself in righteousness nothing doubting, asking God.

Consensus, the the majority, does not alter truth.
D&C 64:33-36.

Apostle of the One Mighty and Strong, Art Bulla

Jimmy Lee Hardy