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JHDaniels79
2/17/2009 3:33 AM UTC
Kerrigan...do you not understand that you are standing up for a God who is hormonal. No security..A God who doesn't exist..You are looking at Christ and his sacrifice on the Cross and you are saying to him, "Jesus, What you did is not enough"..but Christ is saying.."It is finished.
2/17/2009 3:26 AM UTC
Pastor Pat did great..Enjoyed listening. Kerrigan do you have any sinful thoughts at all? Anyone who says that he is without sin is a liar 1 John 1:10. If you are not born a sinner...then you will never die? Death will not come you. I guess you are the Messiah?
JonathanDWhitehead
12/27/2008 3:35 AM UTC
Repent of your Gnostic heresies and turn to the truth.
12/27/2008 12:30 AM UTC
Debra, do you have any idea what 1 Peter 1:23-25 is saying? The incorruptible seed is the word of God and IT abides forever. The corruptible seed would be in contrast of the incorruptible having reference to the words of men. Your understanding is that of Nicodemus who was baffled when the Lord told him he must be born again.
Debra J.M. Smith
12/26/2008 9:36 PM UTC
Notice in cross referencing John 3:5-7 and ! Peter 1:23-25, one can see that which is born of the flesh "falleth away." But that which is born again, born of the incorruptible, by the word of God, "endureth for ever."
12/26/2008 9:32 PM UTC
It is sad that you are misleading so many people. If we were not born of corruptible seed, then what is the need to be born again of the incorruptible? Because YOU can not understand what God does with children that die, YOU speak false words. ...Debra
12/26/2008 9:29 PM UTC
John 3:5-7 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
12/26/2008 9:27 PM UTC
1 Peter 1:23-25 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
ROB777
12/22/2008 10:17 PM UTC
If we are not born into sin then there would be plenty of people that choose not to sin. No one would ever need to be born again. If we read the bible there is no one that is righteous no one seeks God. No one can stop sinning unless they are born again. Any man be in Christ is a new creation old things pass all things become new. That is when you become born sinless when you are a born again.
12/22/2008 10:10 PM UTC
Common sense tells you that we are born into sin babies sin they have baby tantrums they fight with there sisters my brother has twins they fight with each other all the time when they where 2. There mother never train them how to do that. The bible says all have sinned there is not one that is righteous none seek God. If baby are innocent until a certain age then we should never punish them. until that age it would be like spanking a blind men for stepping on your foot. He would be innocent bec
William the Sinner
12/22/2008 2:59 PM UTC
I think what McKown is asking is, what accounts for sin being universal if it is not rooted in our nature. I personally thing the world, the flesh, and the devil + the nature of self-centered focus of children from the time of birth tend to move people towards the path of self-gratification as the chief end in life. It does not compel them to sin, but it "stacks the desk" against them.
Edwin Lo
12/22/2008 4:52 AM UTC
good show
12/22/2008 4:51 AM UTC
I didnt call???? , sorry Kerrigan I am just now listening to the show, i was out witnessing saturday night
JpMcKown
12/21/2008 9:26 PM UTC
Some have chosen to consume alcohol, yet some have chosen NEVER to partake of alcohol. Most have chosen NEVER to indulge in homosexual activities. But only 1 has chosen never to sin?
12/21/2008 9:09 PM UTC
Jesse you side stepped my question. I didn't ask why we sin, I asked why none have chosen to never sin.?
JesseMorrell
12/21/2008 9:00 PM UTC
We sin for the same reason Adam sinned. The sad fact is, even though we never had to sin, we did anyways. If we had to sin, we would have an excuse. But since we don't have to sin, we therefore have no excuse. That is why all those who have chosen to sin deserve punishment.
12/21/2008 6:09 AM UTC
I realize that a logical answer is out of the question. Bottom line is the evidence is in the question itself. "All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God".
12/21/2008 5:38 AM UTC
I have a nice shiny nickel for an answer to the million dollar question. Here it is; If man has freewill and sin is not instinctual or inherited, why do ALL men sin.? The law of Averages says, if dependent only on freewill, some would choose sin, some would choose not to sin. Some choose to sin much, Some choose to sin less, WHY DONT SOME CHOOSE TO NEVER SIN?
12/21/2008 2:16 AM UTC
Pat did contradict himself with saying that Cain had a free will, but then also later claim that mankind is born with "inability", saying that we are born slaves of sin.... How could Cain have a free will if Cain was born a slave of sin? Besides, Paul said that you are the servant of whom you obey. In other words, sinners are servants of sin BECAUSE they choose to serve sin. But Saints are servants of God BECAUSE they choose to obey God. It is a voluntary servant hood, a servant ho
12/21/2008 12:13 AM UTC
Truth and Reason
12/20/2008 11:09 PM UTC
Good debate guys. I think you were both very respectful of the other. However, I would have to say Kerrigan won it. Pat just contradicted himself too much.
12/20/2008 11:08 PM UTC
... Therefore a "sinful nature" is impossible, since your nature cannot violate God's law. Only choices violate God's law. Therefore only choices can be sinful.
The idea that "sin" and "sinfulness" is something other than free will choices, is to have a Gnostic concept of morality. Gnosticism says that the flesh is sinful, which is why they denied Jesus came in the flesh. But sinfulness or sin is nothing more than disobedience to God's moral law. Disobedience is not a substance, it is a choice. God's law does not tell us what type of nature to have, but what type of choices to make. Therefore a "sinful nature" is impossible
12/20/2008 11:01 PM UTC
If original sin is true, God is dishonored. If free will is true, God is glorified. God is not responsible for sin. God does not make us sinners in the womb. God never wanted anyone to sin. Sin is against the will of God. Sin is free will rebellion.
Miche
12/20/2008 10:49 PM UTC
I'm from oregon too
12/20/2008 10:22 PM UTC
Original Sin says God is the reason we are sinners, because He formed us in the womb as such. Free Will says sinners are responsible for being sinners, being such by their own choice. Who's fault is it that we are sinners? God's fault or our fault?
12/20/2008 9:02 PM UTC
I enjoy listening.
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